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8 years 5 months ago #516660 by 70m45
Hello,

I would like to buy a tractor for our 50ha lifestyle property (rolling hills) and I'm wondering if anyone could recommend what brand/type should I be looking at.

I was checking the Mahindra 25HST (with FEL + mower) at 24k +GST which has good review on the internet (made in the Korea by TYM as I understand). mahindra.co.nz/emax-25-tractor

Another option would be Kubota BX but I can't get any pricing online.

Also this caught my eyes ( www.trademe.co.nz/business-farming-indus...uction-996196447.htm ) - I've done bit of research online and it really seems like people like it and it's the best Chinese tractor brand atm and the price is really good.

Then there is TYM, Jynma, Foton etc.

Does anyone has some experience with any of these? Or does anyone know about some good tractor dealer I can talk to (Kerikeri, Kaitaia region)?

Thanks.

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8 years 5 months ago #516663 by Ruth
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We dealt with Norwood in Kaikohe, who were relatively biddable in terms of understanding what we actually wanted, although sometimes very slow about getting back to us when we attempted further contact. Kaitaia Tractors had tried to sell us something unsuitable when they wanted to move it off their lot. I'm glad we resisted.

We bought a 46hp at a little less than $1000/hp. It's a "small" tractor, according to them. Depending what you want to do with it on your 50ha, you may not really want to go so small. Their finance deal at the time made it pretty attractive, although we had to stop drinking wine for 18 months to afford it.

I've not heard very good things about those cheap Chinese tractors. You get what you pay for - or less. How long do those who buy them continue to like them?

How are you all getting on? We were talking about you the other day, wondering.

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8 years 5 months ago #516690 by Kiwi303
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Iseki is pretty good. Mum has had her one for quite a few years now and it made the move down from the north island with us. Like Suzuki and small cars, Iseki tends to specialise in small tractors.

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8 years 5 months ago - 8 years 5 months ago #516695 by Belle Bosse
When we were looking at getting a new tractor we were warned away from any cheap Chinese tractors. Some had not lasted 30 hrs before something important like the gear box gave up!

Advice:
1. Don't rush your decision If you can hang out for Field Day promotional specials, make the most of what is on offer then.
2. Work out what you expect from the tractor before hand.
3. For 50ha I'm sure you will need a larger tractor! The 25hp is more suited to a small block.

We have a 20 something yr old, 24 hp, Kubota tractor with low hours on its clock for its age. Its previous owner, an elderly gentleman retiring from a 10 acre LSB. It is a great little tractor, but is WAY UNDER-SIZED for the work we needed it to do, and we do not have 50 ha..!
We had bought a range of attachments for a 24 horse sized tractor, but when put to work, the attachments were more suited to a larger tractor. The little 24 hp tractor just did not have the power required to handle the work with ease. It struggled.
It also did not have the front end loader/ forks we needed. When fitted with the backhoe attachment the tractor was rear heavy and had to back up any slope to keep 4 wheels on the ground. The large post hole auger was fine going down, but the tractor did not have the power to lift the auger up when it hit heavy clay... the auger had to be dug out by hand!
The little Kubota has its own little mulch mower for smaller fiddly work and exclusively handles the spader. It has turned into a very handy secondary tractor used to fetch and carry, mostly hitched to a little farm trailer, rather than handling the heavy mowing, digging, ripping, lifting, shifting, loading/unloading etc the larger primary one does with a lot less effort.

In our search, our choice narrowed down to a Kubota 38 hp, or the compact 40 hp John Deere tractor. The Kubota was more expensive and the John Deere rep gave us the best price on a Field Day Special. We paid for added accessories of front end loader and forks.
I'd happily recommend either of these tractor names. Both Kubota and John Deere are well made and are fun to drive.

We were on very skinny rations for the 6 months it took to pay it off, but the JD tractor has really been worth getting. At times even the 40 hp JD is pushing its limits as the task at hand would better suit an even larger tractor! Just the other week it took both tractors pulling together to move an empty 2 tonne shipping container fitted with rollers, into position!
The JD's lifting capacity is 500kg. Shifting an empty standard sized concrete cattle water trough is straining its limits. Lifting a half tonne bag of rock dust fertilizer is pushing its limit. It suits the backhoe perfectly and handles the large post hole auger with ease. It makes easy work of mulch mowing 2 acres of long kikuyu grass in the orchard. It handles the single tine ripper/pipe layer with ease, but deep ripping the paddock pushes its limit. Just that bit more horse power makes a huge difference to the way the work is handled and what can be achieved.

PS. There is a John Deere place in Waipapa on the way to Kerikeri.
Last edit: 8 years 5 months ago by Belle Bosse. Reason: extra info.
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8 years 5 months ago #516696 by Ruth
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Great post, BB.
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8 years 5 months ago #516733 by Go Kaz
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We have a Dong Feng like in the link you provided.

It has been an absolute treasure to have around the place! Honestly its the best thing we have ever bought.

We are in Ngatea and got it from the tractor place in Hopuhopu.

I am not sure where you are but you would be welcome to come and play with ours

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8 years 5 months ago #516735 by Go Kaz
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Apologies I see you are up north but if you are ever in the Waikato...

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8 years 5 months ago #516747 by 70m45
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Great posts, thank you!

Although we have 50ha, the quarter of it would be left in regenerating bush + kanuka/manuka. I think we are going to have around 20-25ha of usable land and we are not going to be "full-time farmers" for at least another 3 years. At the moment I need something for cutting grass, moving bits and pieces around, doing fencing etc. (mainly weekend jobs) So at this point I'm not thinking about 40+ HP tractor as this is over our budget and we wouldn't use as much as it deserves. I'm pretty sure we can upgrade later when needed though...

BTW if you check out the Mahindra 25HST it uses standard sized attachments and seems quite capable www.tractor.com/manufacturers/mahindra/2...hoe-review-1631.html

I'm really considering the Dong Feng because of the price, I'm just worried about the quality and that it would need some auto repair skills to keep it going :)

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8 years 5 months ago #516775 by tonybaker
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go for a used Fergy 35X, it's cheap and relaible and will do all you need it to do. You may need to fit a roll bar if you are on hilly country. There are plenty on Trade me, get a diesel one if you can. Mine runs a 5 foot rotary hoe, can lift anything with the forks and has nice high/low lever without using the clutch. Plenty of implements available. I don't have a front end loader but have a back bucket which is similar. I have a great post hole borer, a back blade and all sorts of odds n ends for it. Never had a job that it couldn't do.

5 acres, Ferguson 35X and implements, Hanmay pto shredder, BMW Z3, Countax ride on mower, chooks, Dorper and Wiltshire sheep. Bosky wood burning central heating stove and radiators. Retro caravan. Growing our own food and preserving it. Small vineyard, crap wine. :)
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8 years 5 months ago - 8 years 5 months ago #516782 by Belle Bosse
Great suggestion Tonybaker. Those old tractors dont seem to know what QUIT means.

Another suggestion is hire a small tractor for the weekends. If you are anywhere near Kerikeri/ Waipapa, Keri Hire has a new, small Kubota tractor for hire. Their prices are reasonable but you have to book ahead. You would need a vehicle capable of towing a large tandem trailer for the tractor.

www.kerikerihire.co.nz/
www.kerikerihire.co.nz/Equipment.aspx?pid=187 their 30hp Kubota tractor

There are several other hire places in Waipapa on the right hand side, past RD1, as you drive on towards Kerikeri. Will check its name tomorrow for you.
ATJ Hire is the one I was thinking of.
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8 years 5 months ago - 8 years 5 months ago #516897 by shanehobson
I've owned nearly a dozen tractors over the past years and still use 5 regularly. Each one has strengths and weaknesses. You've described fencing (drag a trailer of fencing gear around and perhaps run a post hole borer), running a slasher mower. I'd go with Tony's suggestion of a Fergy 35. Don't get anything older (like a TEA20) because they have an inferior PTO setup which makes them a pain to run a mower. I have a petrol Ferg 35 which runs my post hole borer easily. The tractor is small enough and light enough that I can actually push it around (that's useful to get post hole alignment just right) but it's also stable on hills as well. It's scoffs petrol which is expensive to buy, so try for a diesel model if you can find one. Parts for Ferg 35 are cheap and common, plus they are very simple tractors so you'll be able to do many repair jobs yourself (it's very satisfying). I wouldn't touch any of the small name Chinese tractors (parts will be a problem, sure the dealer will promise parts but if you buy something common you'll be able to get parts from multiple outlets including Sparex, Bareco and the local tractor dismantler, the same probably can't be said for anything Chinese. A front end loader is often useful. I've found a set of pallet forks more useful than a bucket, haven't used a bucket on a loader for many years. If you buy an old tractor always check the fluids in it, if the fluids are cloudy (water ingress) or otherwise dodgy looking then the owner probably hasn't maintained it and you'll find bigger problems. Tractor brakes are often expensive so check those as well.
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8 years 5 months ago #516992 by AlanL
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Just to clarify something. A couple of references have been made to Chinese tractors and I think that might have been in reference to the Mahindra. That is actually Indian and they have a strong reputation but they are new to the local market. Also, Dong Feng is not a small name manufacturer. They have been around a long time (we used to have a fishing boat in the 70's that we fitted a Dong Feng engine to - that thing was awesome). Dong Feng make very robust machinery for very heavy applications. Can't say anything about parts though and yes, staying with the standard brands here will reduce costs and increase local knowledge when things stop working.
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8 years 5 months ago - 8 years 5 months ago #516993 by RaeM1
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30 years ago we brought a new international 383 40 hp and the only thing we had to do was to shift the wheels in on the tractor as the tracks on our big farm (870 htr) were too narrow, that tractor is still going, and we use it to do all sorts of jobs, and it goes really well, We found its not suitable to put a bigish mower onto it, so get the contractors in to do the baleage, but its really great for spraying the fertilizer onto the paddocks, we used it a lot when we were building our new yards , but We also have a Honda side by side that we use for the usual running around and the feeding out, as it does not stuff the paddocks as much as a tractor would. we have 25ha and still would not be without a tractor of some type, and yes an old fergy, or something like that could suiit you a lot, and you are not blowing a huge amount of money on something that is going to be used a bit, For that type of money you would be better to get a side by side and then as well an older second hand tractor, Our Honda side by side new was $18000, and we made a tray for it our of ply wood, and other timber, as they were another $1100 or so extra.
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8 years 5 months ago #517007 by rider1803
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I have no experience with any of those listed - sorry :P
We have an older 50hp Fiat and are only on 5 acres, however it is well up to the job of a fencing with a rammer, pulling heavy trailer loads, and general running around with things like tree prunings on the forks.
In my experience the easiest way to break equipment is to use it for a job it is not intended for - buy bigger than you think you will need and then you will not need to strain your equipment and you will have an asset for life..

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8 years 5 months ago #517041 by LongRidge
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We are farming 25 to 30 hectares, but most of it is too steep for a tractor.
We do have a 1960 4 cylinder petrol Fiat tractor, but we can do everything that is needed to be done with a 450cc 4WD ATV, so the tractor never gets used. When we do need a big tractor to mow and bale hay, or to load big bales into the shed, then we hire a contractor to do the job. If your partner loves playing with toys rather than farming, and is good at playing with toys then cater for his "Iron Disease". But if you want work doing then get an ATV and hire a contractor when the ATV will not do the job.

For those of you with petrol engined tractors that get used frequently, you are fairly easily able to get a refund on the roading tax part of the petrol price.

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