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14 years 6 months ago #297993 by Kiwi303

Cinsara;281097 wrote: . Kiwi I can just picture you at school :D :D :D


Lets just say I wasn't one of those who just fade into the woodwork :D

First name terms with the Headmaster (both of them over the years), welcome to pop into the staffroom for a natter with a teacher during recess if i wanted tips on an assignment, instead of having to send a message and wait until they were willing to see me, Big non-regulation hat no-one would tell me to take off :D lol

I was as much a school character as you can get :D

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14 years 6 months ago #297994 by Leeanne
to be normal is abnormal :)

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14 years 6 months ago #297996 by bev
MTB .. re the police, it was me and PG.
The police are quicker than the crisis team to get there, and can get them straight into hospital, agreed police dont have the files, but atless they give a damn and make an effort.

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14 years 6 months ago #297999 by Pumpkingirl

mikethebike;281093 wrote: ... as for the police dealing with mental health issues well, sadly nothing could be further from the truth, they dont have access to mental health files nor do they keep files on people that come in contact with them with health issues..

I was the one who mentioned what happened with my police officer friend, and I didn't mean to imply that police kept records of anyone due to their mental health. However, if someone (anyone!) was causing issues for someone else (often family), they did keep records of that for future reference even if no arrest was made, in case they were called out again, so they would know a bit of background. I don't know if they still do it, but he certainly did at the time.

Also, police are to keep the peace, not to judge whether or not someone is ill, emotional, acting out or otherwise. They aren't experts on this, and some are worse than others, as with all people.

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14 years 6 months ago #298000 by Cinsara
The fire brigade is the best to respond out my way and they come for any emergency not just fires bless them.

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14 years 6 months ago #298213 by NZ Appaloosas

mikethebike;281093 wrote: .

hey tigger as for the police dealing with mental health issues well, sadly nothing could be further from the truth, they dont have access to mental health files nor do they keep files on people that come in contact with them with health issues, they only have access to criminal records,


Not quite true...when I was having to deal with death threats against me and others in the office, from someone who was mentally unstable, the police knew very well who that person was, and did indeed have a log regarding these types of incidents with that person. And no, this was not small town USA or NZ.

Also, the only way Psych Emergency Services can get someone hospitalised is by having the police "arrest" the person. In my line of work, we need to have complete and full disclosure of any and all documentation so that the patient can be fully advised as to their rights when coming up for hearing at PMH or Hillmorton.

Diane


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14 years 6 months ago #298216 by Ghilly

tigger;281008 wrote:

People I think would be shocked if every person who is being treated for mental illness (including depression!) put their hand up to be counted, rather than hiding it away because they are too afraid of the reactions of those around them if they were more open about it [:I]. So I am going to hold up my hand with MTB and 'out' myself as one of the 1 in 4 also.

If Tigger and Susan B can do it...... I am 1 in 4 as well.

Yakut

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14 years 6 months ago #298226 by mikethebike
You are wrong all round im afraid NZ, anyone over the age of 18 can apply for someone to be sectioned under the mental health act if they believe that person to be mentally unwell and a danger to themselves or others, then a doctor and a duly authorized officer would need to sign the next part which would then detain the person for a period usually 5 days for assessment,
The crisis team or psyche emergency team seldom use the police unless they feel there is a risk of violence or are unable to gain entry to someones home, only the police have the power to enter someones home if they dont want them to,

The police also only have the power to detain and transport a person who is believed to be mentally unwell to a place of safety, therefor when they transport someone to hospital they are not under arrest,
More often than not the crisis team will asses and apply the mental health act at the police station prior to transporting them to hospital.

As for police keeping records of mentally ill people they definately do not!!
and yes you would hope that if someone was receiving threats of any kind that the police whould log it as evidence, as threatening others in any way is a crime against the person whether the perpetrator is mad or not.

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14 years 6 months ago #298227 by sod
There is 3 of the 6 adults that live here have had depression, 2 work related stress,me injury frustration making me angry then told I was depressed!!!! so we 1out of 2 (3of6) haha

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14 years 6 months ago #298230 by NZ Appaloosas
Psych Services will NOT, at least in Chch, remove someone that has not had the police called in on them, and the police arresting them. Believe me, I know this for a fact. While I don't have day-to-day involvement with working with mental health patients, I do have quite an extensive involvement with the procedural aspect and a patient's legal representation. And I know full details of a particular incident some short weeks ago where two people, one partner/one relative of the person, were very specifically told by Psych Emergency Services that they could not commit the person, that the police had to come out and "arrest" the person. And the OC confirmed that to me, afterwards.

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14 years 6 months ago #298234 by DiDi
This is facinating! We have a Mental Health worked in the North Island (Hawkes Bay ) and a medical person in the South Island who can catagorically come out with different "procedures and outomes" under the same legal guidelines.

Anyone else have any questions about how inept the Mental Health situation is in NZ in terms of clarity of outcome. Off to Google who is meant to be the Minister of....

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14 years 6 months ago #298235 by mikethebike
Well all i can say is glad i don't work in CHch as for the psych team telling someone that they couldn't commit someone else, that could happen and happens here often, usually because the person could not be deemed to be mentally unwell, or not considered a risk simply being mad is not enough, you have also to be a serious risk to yourself or others, This prevents people maliciously putting others under the act. also you cannot be assessed if under the influence of drugs or alcohol although this particular regulation is often overlooked.

If locally we needed to call out the cops every time we assessed any one, no one would ever get assessed as there is only one cop locally and he only works part time so the cop shop shuts at 4.30, then they have to come from 50 minutes away,

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14 years 6 months ago #298237 by Pumpkingirl

mikethebike;281377 wrote: As for police keeping records of mentally ill people they definately do not!!

I don't think NZAppy was saying police keep records of all mentally ill people just because they're mentally ill - but police do have records on people (or more likely addresses) where there have been previous callouts. Some of those people are mentally ill, and most are not, but there will still be a record of some kind.

No-one wants to walk in on an incident without being forewarned of previous incidents.

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14 years 6 months ago #298243 by mikethebike
Yes it is interesting isn't it Di and the Mental health act is somewhat outdated and always was pretty useless, not only here though its actually worse in the UK,
I for one would like to see it abolished its worthless anyway, when there is a high profile case the public and the media love to blame the mental health service, or the mental health act, but don't see that in the majority of cases the individual is the actual person responsible for their actions, to give an example we often see people who we commonly describe as having court induced Psychosis in other words fabricate or exaggerate symptoms of illness in order to get a lesser sentence,

I have been witness to several assaults on nurses and have been a victim my self on a couple of occasions and in the last 10 years have yet to see anyone so out of it that they didn't know what they were doing, which is why we have a policy of allways prosecuting assults on staff, however the courts seldom punish the offenders because they argue that they were mentally ill at the time.

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14 years 6 months ago #298252 by Jen - Featherston

Well all i can say is glad i don't work in CHch as for the psych team telling someone that they couldn't commit someone else, that could happen and happens here often, usually because the person could not be deemed to be mentally unwell, or not considered a risk simply being mad is not enough, you have also to be a serious risk to yourself or others, This prevents people maliciously putting others under the act. also you cannot be assessed if under the influence of drugs or alcohol although this particular regulation is often overlooked.


hmm about 10 years ago I had to section my nanny (nanny as in babysitter style not grandmother) under the MH act, she was an alcoholic and had got in such a state that people were taking advantage of her. When I called AA for what to do I was given a set of instructions the first thing to do was call the Police. When the Police arrived I had to explain to them the situation, if they felt the situation was warranted they would call in her doctor and a psychiatric advisor to 'assess' her. They did and she was assessed as requiring intervention. She was sectioned to an AA rehabilitation house for 8 weeks.

So yes I had to start the process, and I had to sign the section form as the person who was responsible for her along with the doctor and specialist BUT it was not up to me whether she was sectioned that was the Police's call.

Just my personal experience with the MH system.

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