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9 years 5 months ago #454122 by Toast
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I'm disappointed to read these negative comments. It surprised and shocked me.

Just do it, preferably on-line & make it easier on yourself and the census people. Yes, we do have a duty of responsibility.

If you have an issue with the census questions and how it's conducted then don't shoot the messenger or skew the current census. Go through your local MP & get it changed for next time.

I worked on the 2011 census which was abandoned. However, that has nothing to do with my comments above & nor does the following.

I was very impressed with how they conducted themselves and I have to say that their training manuals, contracts and other written material were excellent. I don't think I had to re-read one sentence because I didn't understand it. Most stuff nowadays has the commas in all the wrong places & you have to re-read/2nd guess & pray and it takes hours of your time. At the end you're still not sure of the content. Most modern stuff wouldn't stand up in a court of law.

They used an easy to read font, clear, concise English with perfect spelling and grammar. They were able to answer questions clearly and concisely themselves and if they didn't know the answer, they said so and found out very quickly.

It was nice to know that NZ has people as conscientious and caring as the people who I worked for on the 2011 census who were, in effect, conducting the census for NZ.

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9 years 5 months ago #454123 by katieb
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eelcat;455049 wrote: We had an interesting but turned-out-ok-in-the-end-experience with our census paper delivery. The guy ran over our box hedge, smashed a pot plant (and its saucer) and broke 3 solar lights lining a path (with the box hedge beside). I complained - had to do it three times - but on Saturday the same guy turned up with 3 solar lights and a big apology.


lol at least ours only got lost on our driveway!

she went up the main driveway which ends up in a carpark/farm area(barn, loading ramp etc) & rather than get out of car & follow signs to the office she went back down & started coming up house driveway where she came across some people visiting to collect stuff who apparently pointed her in the other direction.... you would think when she started driving past animals & having to open gates she would realise she was going the wrong way but no she kept going haha

I was not very amused when she appeared looking lost... ducks & chooks werent impressed at having to move for her either.... her 4wd prob has a few more scratches due to the overhanging branches

btw I will be filling mine out tomorrow, just have to work out a couple of answers I wish you could save them online once you start as I did most of mine today but wasnt sure on a couple of things so will redo it

Didi you can do it early you just fill it out as if its the 5th

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9 years 5 months ago #454134 by Akzle
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swaggie;455069 wrote: ...I expect the police to help me when I call.

never had to call them, huh?

helen55;455074 wrote:
And I'd love to know if the people who are objecting to the census have Fly Buys and One Cards. Or if they use EFTPOS or have a mobile phone or use Facebook etc etc. These features of modern society provide far more info about an individual than the census ever will.

Re the security of the information recorded on the paper forms, I'm working on the Census and there's no way I'll be interested in reading the information recorded on the forms I'll be collecting from approximately 250 dwellings. I've got better things to do with my time!

that's YOU, and that's fine. there are people who DO want the information, and WILL get it, for what reason or purpose they want.
fact is, as stated elsewhere, the other govt depts already have the information.

flybuys: yes
eftpos: occasionally.
onecard: no
facebook: hell no.
cellphone: interesting theory, asides from the great big wire tap they have on, how is that providing information?

Toast;455093 wrote: Yes, we do have a duty of responsibility.

If you have an issue with the census questions and how it's conducted then don't shoot the messenger or skew the current census. Go through your local MP & get it changed for next time.

don't impose any "duty" or "responsibility" on me.

i'll sign up for the ones i'm happy with, and shouldn't have to beg an MP not to be forced into the ones i don't agree with.

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9 years 5 months ago #454143 by helen55
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katieb;455094 wrote: lol at least ours only got lost on our driveway!

she went up the main driveway which ends up in a carpark/farm area(barn, loading ramp etc) & rather than get out of car & follow signs to the office she went back down & started coming up house driveway where she came across some people visiting to collect stuff who apparently pointed her in the other direction.... you would think when she started driving past animals & having to open gates she would realise she was going the wrong way but no she kept going haha

I was not very amused when she appeared looking lost... ducks & chooks werent impressed at having to move for her either.... her 4wd prob has a few more scratches due to the overhanging branches


I've been delivering forms in a rural area that I'm not familiar with and sometimes it's not been easy to work out where all the dwellings might be on a property. I've become the master of executing a 45 point turn in my car!

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9 years 5 months ago #454148 by Seaside
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DiDi;455060 wrote: Now here is the problem - how can any of you be saying how easy it is to do online when no one is meant to do it until the 5th March!


The guy who delivered our forms said if I do it online, it can be done any time between then and the 5 March. If you're going to fill in the paper forms, it has to be done on 5 March. Not sure why, but makes doing it online less of a faff.

I see the census as being a way of able to find out the 'demographic' of a local area and the whole of NZ. For example, if there are a heap of families with preschool children in this area, they need to make sure that there is enough space in the primary schools. For primary school aged children, they need to make sure the local high school has enough capacity.

If the area has a whole heap of households with people in their 60s and older and not many preschool children, they need to focus their funding more on providing elderly care for the future and health services.

If 60% of the population in Location X is going to be 55+ in the year 2020 and only 5% 18 or younger (totally random stats, I know), the local health facilities are going to need more cardiovascular, dementia and osteopirosis specialists than they are paedatricians (sp?).

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9 years 5 months ago #454150 by Mich
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Akzle;455048 "vote me for PM and find out!! [;) wrote: :D :D ( i support people making sensible decisions and taking responsibility for themselves, on the two basic laws: do no harm, and; tell the truth. )


Ah matey - we can agree on your two basic laws at least. :D I'm intrigued as to how you take responsibility for yourself but at the same time have "no qualms" about using our society's system to your advantage when it suits. If you were voted in as PM (assuming you decided to join our society so we could do so), does that mean you'd cream as much money off us as possible and not lie about it? :p :p :p :D :D :D

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9 years 5 months ago #454193 by Akzle
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Seaside;455121 wrote:
I see the census as being a way of able to find out the 'demographic' of a local area and the whole of NZ. For example, if there are a heap of families with preschool children in this area, they need to make sure that there is enough space in the primary schools. For primary school aged children, they need to make sure the local high school has enough capacity.

If the area has a whole heap of households with people in their 60s and older and not many preschool children, they need to focus their funding more on providing elderly care for the future and health services.

it's quaint that you think the government is actually interested in anything more than how much profit they can make out of you.

you must have a short memory if you can overlook all the debates/outcrys/petitions/referenda etc that go ignored and unheeded by your socialist rulers. you mention schools: how about chch, where they're railroading through "combined schooling" despite massive outcry from the locals, the government line is "there isn't a need for a school there" until the 600 parents turn up and say "hey wait on..." - then the govt goes and does it anyway.

healthcare services are funded through ACC which you pay for with the priviledge of driving, and with the priviledge of being employed, they don't come out of statistics' budget.

Mich;455123 wrote: Ah matey - we can agree on your two basic laws at least. :D I'm intrigued as to how you take responsibility for yourself but at the same time have "no qualms" about using our society's system to your advantage when it suits. If you were voted in as PM (assuming you decided to join our society so we could do so), does that mean you'd cream as much money off us as possible and not lie about it? :p :p :p :D :D :D

Cheers, Mich.

absolutely!

i am trying to become completely self-reliant, but the thing is the govt, cops etc keep wanting to stick their hand in my jar, if they leave me alone, i will ask for nothing from the system, until then, f* em, i'll milk it.

but really, i don't think there need be any more laws than that, certainly i'd do away with the 3500 pages of the "income tax act", and the other 20, 000 pieces of longwinded legalese, jargon legislature... well, they'd be getting chopped.
i'd quarter the number of politicians and half public servant's salaries, especially police and "ministry of justice" - infact, with those two laws i could do away with that ministry. i'd build a rocket and send all lawyers to the sun.
i'd tax companies rather than people and make sure that MNCs and bloody australian banks actually pay tax.
i'd legalise drugs and limit alcohol, i'd remove speed limits, parking wardens, traffic lights.
i'd ensure new houses are responsible for dealing with at least 50% of their needs - ie solar on the roof and a composting dunny, + rainwater collection etc.
i'd replace the flouride in town water supplies with cyanide, just to clear a bit of space and give us a more sustainable population to start off.
i'd close the borders except to people fluent in english or te reo, and with some kind of skill.
i'd halt chinese imports and make use of OUR manufacturing sector. i'd use all oil mined domestically, domestically.
i'd re-instate and expand rail and get 50% of the trucks off the roads.
i'd close 50% of shops, particularly the "super-mega-uber" stores. and go back to when shops were shut on weekENDS.

eventually we'd roll into subsistence living, which, by the abo gauge, involves about 2 hours a day "work" - given that part of this work is fishing/gardening/hunting, i don't think i'll get too many complaints...

so next elections, just cross out everyone elses name (initial the changes to make it legal) and write "akzle" at the bottom of your forms.

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9 years 5 months ago #454196 by Hawkspur
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So, it is OK to you to give access to your information to private companies so they can sell it, cross reference it freely with other databases and monitor what you do in order to give them increased profit,

"Fly Buys holds sales, demographic, socio-economic and lifestyle data about its card holders sourced from sales at New World and more than 40 other Fly Buys retailers. Membership and transactional data is overlaid with other market databases...actively use their Fly Buys cards, supplying a wealth of information to the Fly Buys database...All sales by value and units are recorded for each direct marketing campaign allowing further insights and profiling of suppliers' target customer groups." From the Foodstuffs website

But, if the dreaded Government want to collect quality data so they can provide services to everyone, and they will not cross reference the information they hold on you, you refuse to participate.

Right?:rolleyes:

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9 years 5 months ago #454201 by Mich
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I had a good chuckle over your last post, Akzle - it would be fun to have a good old round-the-campfire debate with you, I think. Actually, there were a couple of points there that I was more in agreement than not. Bit of a worry... [;)] :D

Good point, Hawkspur.
Cheers, Mich.

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9 years 5 months ago #454203 by Akzle
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Hawkspur;455174 wrote: So, it is OK to you to give access to your information to private companies so they can sell it, cross reference it freely with other databases and monitor what you do in order to give them increased profit,

"Fly Buys holds sales,...(blah blah blah)

But, if the dreaded Government want to collect quality data so they can provide services to everyone, and they will not cross reference the information they hold on you, you refuse to participate.

Right?:rolleyes:

yes. it is,
and here's the clincher
because i signed up for it. voluntarily, willingly, knowingly, i agreed to the terms and conditions

compare with the govt: i didn't volunteer, or sign up, i don't agree with the terms or conditions. it's someone else (you) dictating what i should do.

wee thing called freedom of choice, if i have it, as i supposedly do in a "free and democratic nation", then i should have the choice not to

innit? or am i free, but only if i'm towing the party line?
Right?:rolleyes:

i even do these neat little "consumer research" surveys, for my own profit (flybuys points, or money) - i think i provide a nice counter-poise to the sheep (you) and their consuming habits.

better luck next time.

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9 years 5 months ago #454210 by Hawkspur
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You don't need to shout. I already understood your reasoning. I just don't agree with it. :)

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9 years 5 months ago #454214 by Akzle
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more to add emphasis, rather than shouting.
which don't you agree with, and how can you possibly argue with such winning logic?

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9 years 5 months ago #454230 by helen55
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Akzle;455171 wrote: so next elections, just cross out everyone elses name (initial the changes to make it legal) and write "akzle" at the bottom of your forms.


Dearie me, I'd rather vote for Winston Peters than you ... and I would NEVER, EVER vote for him.

And, I respectfully suggest that if you are going to talk about not letting people who don't speak English into the country, you check your posts for spelling mistakes and correct them before you hit the 'submit reply' button. [;)]

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9 years 5 months ago #454232 by Kiwi303
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Personally I wish that the govt DID link things more efficiently... Anyone remember the joke email that does the rounds... topic usually australian, sometimes american or UK, about an Irate pensioner about a passport application... I'm sure someone probably has it saved in a "funnies" file an can cut and paste.

It would be nice if you could have a one page form,

I, XXXX YYYYYY database number 1234567abcdef, want to apply for a ZZZZZZZZZZ.

Then the govt dept just digs in their database and spits out the relevent licence/passport/permit/document with all blanks filled...

no need to fill in your date of birth in EVERY form, or your mothers aunts sisters hair colour or whatever they wish to know on the 500th form you filled in for a govt department.

You filled in a form in the past, that data should be in the banks, all you sould ever need to fill in is what has changed since your last form, any unchanged situations left blank for the computers to fill in from stored data...

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9 years 5 months ago #454234 by Hawkspur
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Kiwi303: any system is going to have its frustrating inefficiencies. It is actually quite scary being on the other side trying to write sensible rules. I tried it, briefly. Aaargh.
Azkle:
ha ha![;)] I think our differences are not just down to logic, but to philosophical views.
For example, I also believe we need to be responsible for ourselves, but my thinking is that voting is part of our responsibility, in order to increase the chance of sensible representative lawmakers.

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