Agenda21

Fairly laidback casual interview regarding UN Agenda21 info from the States if anyone was interested.

Same as whats happening here.

Hey, welcome back, RR - good to see you posting again. []

Will check this out on Monday when I have access to broadband.

Cheers, Mich.

Well done RR for posting this as you will know, I have been harping on about this subject in a number of posts for some time. I haven't time but maybe you could find a good listing for those who don't have Broadband so they can read it rather than You Tube.

It is just frightening to me that people are not reading this and not getting the implications to rural areas, provincial towns etc. It is not a sham guys! This is real and your future if you are not pa

Well done RR for posting this as you will know, I have been harping on about this subject in a number of posts for some time. I haven't time but maybe you could find a good listing for those who don't have Broadband so they can read it rather than You Tube.

It is just frightening to me that people are not reading this and not getting the implications to rural areas, provincial towns etc. It is not a sham guys! This is real and your future if you are not paying attention.

G'day Mich

Good point Didi.

Heres the website of the anti-agenda21 group the woman being interviewed in the above vid represents.

www.democratsagainstunagenda21.com/

It has a decent run down of what Agenda21 is and how it operates quite insidiously. Its low-bandwidth internet friendly.

Anyone doubting this has already been inserted into NZ politics/policies and has been for decades by UN zealots (hmmm, where did our last PM scoot off too after her fall from grace?) should perhaps go check the Hamilton City Councils website for example, where they had links to their internal Agenda21 office/officers WITHIN COUNCIL.

Enjoy.

- not seeing the problem with the proposal at the moment ....obviously it makes sense to have a handle on world resources and population rather than the nation by nation adhoc system we have at the moment......at some point (in the future) we will be a global society with one language etc etc.....its how we get there thats going to be an interesting journey .....unfortunately there are always those negative people that knock everything without providing constructive comments

Thanks for the link RR. Heck, I thought I was reading a precis of the Hutt City Council and WRC's latest annual plan!!! [!] Having taken a particular interest in both of these recently, the similarities stuck out a mile. Take one example of making HCC ratepayers pay the bulk (if not all in some cases) of the council consent fees for up to several years for private developers to 'redevelop' certain areas (e.g. Petone) - supposedly to encourage more people into the area. If what happens there is the same as what's happening in Wellington City at the moment, good luck on a successful outcome on that one!

Looking at the wider issues, I have no problem being called negative over the way things are 'progressing' (not sure that's a good choice of word). It scares the crap out of me to be quite frank. And yes, I do make what I consider to be constructive comments as part of the public consultation process that we're still (fortunately) allowed to participate in.

Cheers, Mich.

I think the councils have been reading Agenda21, but they should have first read "The Limits to Growth" first published in 1972 and this one does seem to be playing out now.

I've just been reading Agenda21 and can't see how it would ever have worked, they talk of sustainable growth, it might have looked possible 20 years ago with more oil flowing than we could keep up with, but completely unworkable in today's world.

It just shows how bad things are when counties start printing money with the idea of bringing back growth, it's an attempt to over come the geology of Hubberts peak, but is likely to push us over Senecas cliff.

kindajojo;440176 wrote: - not seeing the problem with the proposal at the moment ....obviously it makes sense to have a handle on world resources and population rather than the nation by nation adhoc system we have at the moment......at some point (in the future) we will be a global society with one language etc etc.....its how we get there thats going to be an interesting journey .....unfortunately there are always those negative people that knock everything without providing constructive comments

Kindajojo, its pitched as being perfectly reasonable on face value, thats how they sell it, in reality the way it will be executed is not reasonable.
You will lose property rights, land property, physical property, the right to govern your own body, what you put into it and where you go with it.

The fact that the UN are pushing this Agenda21 and their end-goal with their 'splendid' record of overseeing genocides, child sex-slavery, general comparmentalized corruption and openly stated desire to be the unelected governing body of a one-world-order, does not comfort me one iota.

RhodeRed;440223 wrote: Kindajojo, its pitched as being perfectly reasonable on face value, thats how they sell it, in reality the way it will be executed is not reasonable.
You will lose property rights, land property, physical property, the right to govern your own body, what you put into it and where you go with it.

Can you point me to the relevant legislation that this related to:

From Wikipedia:

Opposition in the United States

During the last decade, opposition grew to some aspects of Agenda 21 within the United States at the local, state, and federal levels. Several state and local governments have considered or passed motions and legislation opposing Agenda 21. [12] [13] [14] [15] [3] Alabama became the first state to prohibit government participation in Agenda 21. [4] Arizona recently failed to pass a similar bill that would ban participation in Agenda 21. Some Tea Party linked activists have claimed that Agenda 21 is a conspiracy by the United Nations to deprive individuals of property rights . [3] Columnists in The Atlantic have linked Agenda 21 opposition to the longstanding property rights movement in the United States [16]

Anything promoted by the Tea Party automatically goes into the "highly questionable" category IMO. Sounds like another one pitched at the tin-foil hat brigade.

Kindajojo; Go read about Agenda21 yourself, do your own homework, thats the only way you learn, not being mean but what do you expect to learn if I spoon feed you my opinion?
The website above has some good info'.

Read both what critics say and what the UN sugar coat, thats the only way you can come to you own conclusions.

Be aware the UN and agenda21 advocates aren't going to be open and forthcoming with info' considering where they are ultimately going with this and the way they constantly operate with incrementalism.

The guts of it is forcing people off the land and into tightly packed vertically sprawling mega-cities where they can be controled more easily.
You won't have food or water freedom of choice - you will only have what is supplied by the state in these ghettos.
You won't have freedom of choice with your body to the extent that under Agenda21 you or your children, or your grandchildren won't have the freedom to have children when and if they choose - it will be up to "the State" which under Agenda21 at its ultimate extrapolation is the over-reaching, unelected, unrepresentative, United Nations global state.

All of the current crap you see as far as food-bills, NAIT tagging, all this nonsense with compliance (making it too costly to live freely or operate independantly unless your are a large corporation) and taking inventory/registries (working out what you have so they can come take it) is all congruent with Agenda21.

In the States there have even been maps leaked/released that show "wilded" or "greened" areas - huge tracts of land farmed/inhabited nowdays that will be no-go zones for human beings after being "gifted back to Gaia". (Do a google search for US biodiversity or biodiversity map).

There is a wealth of information out there about this - go read around and draw your own conclusions.

GrantK;440247 wrote: From Wikipedia:

Anything promoted by the Tea Party automatically goes into the "highly questionable" category IMO. Sounds like another one pitched at the tin-foil hat brigade.

Oh come on guy.

The quote you decided to post states that elements of federal, state governments and local governments have passed or considered passing anti-agenda21 legislation (which would protect their constituents) and then mention the Alabama agenda21 exclusion, ... but you then turn around and say that because the Tea Party are apparently anti-agenda21 it must be a bunch of tin-foil hat nonsense?!?

BTW, The Tea Party in its original incarnation a-la Ron Paul where all about sound fiscal policy and focused on reducing the insane amount of power the private "Federal Reserve Bank" has over the United States, ie; the "End the Fed'" rallies.
It was derailed and taken over by elements of the mainstream republican party soon after. I believe even Sarah Palin was trying to insinuate herself into it at one point.

Thanks for the link, RR.

As a global community we've reached a point where we do not have enough food to feed us all - at least not the way we are used to. Gone are the times when the US shipped tons and tons of grains to feed the hungry in Africa.

Looking at this dilemma it comes as no surprise that someone in some office noticed that there is plenty of arable land used to grow horse manure and the likes.

I have to admit that I crinch each time I read a thread 'forever home for 20something year old horse (or wether or whatever) wanted'. Instead of feeding a horse, this land could grow a cattlebeast ready for the works every 2 years (considering that during year 1 it doesn't eat much).

No wonder someone out there wants to make sure that as much of the arable land as possible is used to grow food.

Another aspect is that we don't pay taxes on the carrots/leeks/beans/apples etc we grow and consume ourselves. So the state is missing out.

If each grower is only producing 1 thing then they have to buy in everything else for their own use (= tax$$) which is good for a government.

So - Kindajojo - there are plenty of reasons why this Agenda21 is reality.

If we want to continue to be able to enjoy owning a piece of land we have to watch our backs.

Once we have reached a point when food is really scarce people will just go out to the country and dig out a few potatoes, enter an orchard and steal apples so having them confined to a megacity makes it possible to control movements in and out. Handy!

kindajojo;440233 wrote: Can you point me to the relevant legislation that this related to:

sure here's a part relevant to it
food bill
It's won't come in just 1 law & it'll come in bits 'n pieces as always, Govts know it's much easier to force the stick in a mil at a time rather than the whole thing at once.
But that up there is part of the agenda, they don't want self sufficiency they want control & reliance on big corporations. That bills the one which gives our armed police (illegal) right to forcefully enter a property fully geared complete with live ammo to stop a little old granny "poisoning our streets" with her jam
It's already happened in Oz, not with jam but some guy selling his "bath milk" (unpasteurised milk) at the markets he had the fully armed assault team smashing down his door & terrorising his home.
This was just milk not heroin, he posed no danger, was not setup for defence, was not "armed & dangerous" & there was no reason to believe he'd try anything stupid he was just an ordinary guy selling milk, yet a full assault team was sent in without warning. We're about to have the same oppressive laws passed here... Welcome to the "New World Order" aka America

And remember you don't really own your land you're simply borrowing it from the crown.