Land ownership in NZ is not possible for us

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10 years 3 months ago #31102 by Kiwi Tussock
Yep, thats right.
I have been checking up on what rights I have with arguments with Council. To 'cut to the chase' so to speak, we are only able to buy "the privilege to use" the land we pay for, hence the District Councils have far more powers over what happens to land under their jurisdiction and boarders.
If your Council plans to build a swimming pool or send their staff to a foreign land to look see at something or just spend way too much money (your rates contributions )and you quietly or silently or even if you partition them but it continues & after spending more money than is prudent, they get to the "belly up" position, guess whose land is aimed at for paying the debt they created.
Do you think it doesn't happen like that or wont happen? Well, may I suggest you do some of your own research and check out for instance what happened in the States some years ago.
What we need to do, is to work towards getting an Allodial title.
The 'powers that be' only allow ease of access to Freehold Title, not Allodial Title.
If you are interested in the difference, check it out in a LAW Dictionary like Blacks Law Dictionary or Bouviers Law Dictionary. (Or both) There is major ramifications. Find out who really owns the dirt under our feet. It will surprise you and the extent of it all.
The Oxford or Collins dictionaries (or heavens forbid, 'Wikipedia') are not what gets used in Court. Just like the Bible, the older the edition, the more correct and influential and therefore powerful, the info is.
But...... time to go plant the cabbages and Boc Choy.

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10 years 3 months ago #418661 by RhodeRed
Correct, what we should have is allodial title.

As far as I know there is only one state in the US where folk can actually have allodial title, the rest are in the same boat as we are.

Currently the best you do in NZ is some kind of equitable title or equitable use.

Of course, the nanny-state here does everything it can to keep the public dumb to this fact, if they weren't kept dumbed down they'd start objecting to the whole farce including the banking industry and the made-up fiat currency mortgage money-go-round.

Can't have the peasants getting off the treadmill and looking around at whats really happening.

Doubt the idea that you don't own your land?
Stop paying rates/taxes and you'll find out very quickly who has acrual right to your property according to the corporation known as "The Crown" and its BS merchantile/admiralty law.

Signed up for a mortgage lately? The bank you dealt with underwent a process whereby they asked permission from the Reserve Bank of NZ to create your several hundred thousand dollars OUT OF THIN AIR.
Now you are labouring to pay back that fake made-up cash they "gave you" with the sweat from your back - plus interest!

Now you want the real kicker, check you mortgage agreement if you have the WHOLE document - you will likely be listed as the "tennant". :D

We are being forced closer and closer back towards a feudal system, serfs and masters, ... and serfs don't have land. This system has a socialist type structure overlay to it and as per the 10 planks of the communist manifesto, negation of property rights and graduated income tax aka redistribution of wealth are two of those planks.

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10 years 3 months ago #418668 by Kiwi Tussock
Thank goodness someone else has had the same or similar findings as me. I know of a quite a number who are becoming more and more aware of the real situation we have here. DONT get me started on Banks. You are quite right. Also, when you take out a mortgage, in the small print (which I have seen on 2 different "lenders", the "borrower" signs away their Power of Attorney to the Bank. Why would that be needed? hmmmm
You are so right in your statement about Banks lending nothing but the trouble is, we put or back into paying the so called money back to them and get charged interest on the nothing that was lent. AND... there is more. If you trace the RESERVE BANK and where its controlled from and where it ends up its pretty mind blowing. We really are so well and truly controlled alright. Even the government or rather GOVERNMENT (note upper case) is a corporation registered on the NEW YORK STOCK EXCHANGE. Departments are genuinely Kiwi Government owned but MINISTRY of this that and the other, are part of the corporation & its they who own the land we buy. Talk about being hoodwinked! Anything in upper case is a corporation and therefore a controlled "person" and that means 99.9% of people (or at least their strawman, as well as companies are controlled by the corporation. Take a look at the Passport and drivers licence, land deed, Bank statement, Inland Revenue letters etc. All are written in Upper case. Same as the electoral roll. To do this or that.... "Please sign here Sir/Madam" Got ya.
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10 years 3 months ago #418671 by kiwi_jon
Good grief,

don your tin foil hats folks.

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10 years 3 months ago #418676 by Andrea1
I am one who reads the fine print, even I don't entirely understand it (I'm trying!). All that you mention is usually very well-buried in the 'legalese' which is quite overwhelming to most.

What is the option? Who can you complain to (and have it be even marginally effective)?

'They' really have you over a barrel with the 'boilerplate' forms you have to sign to be allowed to do anything, because if you don't sign, then you can't do, even down to the Terms and Conditions associated with the bulk of any website with which you interact.

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10 years 3 months ago #418680 by kindajojo
lol kiwi jon

I was going to point out that you have to be a brave person to post such subverseive material on the net:cool: ...(its not called a net for no reason you know) it will be monitored and bug brother is watching,[}:)]
They can track your IP address......................

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10 years 3 months ago #418684 by RhodeRed
I know some of you like Kiwi-jon and Kindajojo are going to be laughing your heads off when you hear the originally posted info' - hence the tin-foil hat comment, 8 years ago I woulda been laughing along with you at what I would have perceived to be some 'nutjob' or 'headcase'.

Unfortunately thats the way we are programmed from birth, especially in NZ, to reject anything that doesn't fit within the paradigm we are programmed with via school, work, sports and society in general and to have a knee-jerk reaction against anything that questions that programming.

John Campbell and his ilk aren't going to come out and tell you what is really going on, he's going to show you a cute cat stuck in a tree "awwww" followed by a car crash or some such "gee lucky that wasn't me" and then cut to the sports news "ra-ra-ra".
People like him are paid to keep you stupid whilst thinking you actually know whats going on - after all you watched "the news" on tele' last night right? ... what did you actually watch? ... did it truly, practically, enhance your knowledge of the world or did it just entertain you?

The only way you will ever learn what is going on is by challenging yourself and your set of beliefs and reading/researching outside the circle of reality you currently live in and taking nothing for granted.

Instead of ridiculing that which doesn't make sense to you (I would have as well once upon a time), try querying it instead, don't write people off as "tinfoil hat wearers" without having an inkling of what they are talking about and being able to reject it from an informed position of knowledge.

Anything I post, you are welcome to ask me about or PM me and I will clarify for you as best I can.
I imagine the same would go for someone like Kiwi-Tussock, but I can't speak for them.

To enhance your knowledge and abate your ignorance, you could do some searches for the defintions of the following key words/phrases;
"Allodial title"
"Eminent domain"
"Fee Simple"

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10 years 3 months ago #418688 by Pixc
Just as well I think of land ownership as being the current 'caretaker'. I do my best for the land while its in my care. I dont mind paying rates etc, I really like the road i use, I'm fond of the parks etc in my area. I'm not too fussed on a few minor details.

As for the News on TV, I'm fully aware there are influences etc so I keep in the back of my mind that it really is only one side of the story.

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10 years 3 months ago #418699 by kindajojo
Actually I fully understand where you are coming from and a few years ago I may have been concerned but we all grow up an move on.........as with Pixc in the long run nobody really owns land as those in Christchurch will attest. We merely have somewhere to live for our 3 score and 10 and a pile of rights and responsibilities that go with it.

Like most ( if I can be so bold as to speak for the majority) I have kids to bring up, cows to feed, a couple of new pigs and one of the ram lambs is looking a bit down and may have a touch of BP......and the damn cauli's have bolted again.....the real important things in life.

But I appreciate you spending so much time on the net (of which most is of dubious scientific relevance) and keeping us so well informed.

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10 years 3 months ago #418713 by Organix
Along similar lines but less conspiratorial this interview of Nicole Foss on Radio NZ this morning is interesting, as is Nicole's website .

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10 years 3 months ago #418717 by kate
I thought that was an interesting interview too Organix...I see her solution to peak oil and GFC was to buy land and be as self-sufficient as possible :D

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10 years 3 months ago #418719 by Organix

Kate;415727 wrote: I thought that was an interesting interview too Organix...I see her solution to peak oil and GFC was to buy land and be as self-sufficient as possible :D

The website link I provided above has some interesting strategies to "Build a Lifeboat", and Nicole's lecture dates in NZ over the next few weeks. If she was presenting closer than Wanganui I would definitely go along to one.

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10 years 3 months ago #418744 by Mich
Thanks for that link Organix - really interesting and I'm looking forward to reading a lot more from her website. Will try and get to the Wellington presentation.
Cheers, Mich.

Good exercise for the heart is to bend down and help someone up. Anon.

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10 years 3 months ago #418829 by RhodeRed

kindajojo;415708 wrote: Actually I fully understand where you are coming from and a few years ago I may have been concerned but we all grow up an move on......... I have kids to bring up, cows to feed, a couple of new pigs and one of the ram lambs is looking a bit down and may have a touch of BP......and the damn cauli's have bolted again.....the real important things in life.

But I appreciate you spending so much time on the net (of which most is of dubious scientific relevance) and keeping us so well informed.


"Grow up and move on" ? ... interesting euphimism for ignoring something, not heard it pitched like that before.

I too have children to raise, animals that need tending and a job to do, I agree those are important things. I also believe that anything on the horizon that is going to threaten the future of those things is equally as important and worthy of scrutiny.

FWIW I don't necessarily spend vast amounts of time reading things of "dubious scientific relevance on the internet" as you put it, alot of my information comes from plain old-fashioned, printed, published books ... but thanks for the stereotyping. :rolleyes:

Kindajojo, if you disagree with something someone says, fine, we don't all hold the same ideas and values, having the courtesy of either ignoring it -OR refuting it with fact would be nice as most folk do in face-to-face everyday conversation.
Patronising condescention and sarcasm doesn't make for reasoned discourse.

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10 years 3 months ago #418837 by RhodeRed

Organix;415722 wrote: Along similar lines but less conspiratorial this interview of Nicole Foss on Radio NZ this morning is interesting, as is Nicole's website .


Cool site and interesting interview.

Not sure I agree with her take on peak-oil, theres evidence afoot now that points to hydrocarbon formation taking place very deep in the earths crust/mantle "abiotic oil" and not being the result of biological material decay.
The Soviets had gone nuts with deep drillling for decades, they established the theory/science of abiotic oil a long time ago.
Evidence includes emptied oil wells 'miraculously' begining to refill themselves.

Theres also vast reserves (abiotic or not) that have never been touched on the planet and are not necessarily that hard to get to, ie; the Gull Island fields in Alaska.

Not saying that hydrocarbons will/won't run out (for whatever reason) or that they are clean or even efficient, just hypothesising that may not be as bad as some suppose in terms of resource shortages.

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