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10 years 10 months ago #392523 by Simkin
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wyseyes;386725 wrote:
talk to someone who has the education and history and experience to diagnose what really is wrong, and provide a known and proven solution.

Had I done this I'd be dead now[xx(]

There are dietary changes everyone can make and the worst case scenario is that it doesn't help. It takes about 3 weeks to kick in and the feeling better is so rewarding that every appetite for coffee, greasy stuff and the likes disappears.

Lillies - I'll pm you.

The original 'Eat Right for your Type' book is by Dr Peter J. D'Adamo.

The only test you need is to determine your blood group. I don't adhere to every word - I picked out what makes sense for ME and what suits ME and I also read the suggestions for all the other blood types and there are a few things no blood group should eat - avocado and cabbage are two examples we took off our menu.

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10 years 10 months ago #392542 by Blueberry
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andf another testimony as to how your diet can change your health: a few years ago, i had major health issues - age-related, or so i assumed; contantly tired needing longer and longer naps to 'recover", teethering between aggressive and weepy, gaining weight despite feeling constantly "hungry", rashes coming and going, sore joints, etc. It was severely affecting my quality of life, not to mention the lifestyle. I'm just this side of 50, so was not quite ready for the resthome. After an intense chat with my Naturopath, i gave up carbohydrates (all of them!) and dairy and took up swimming 2 - 3 times a week.
That may seem hard, but the change was dramatic! I did this for 9 months, lost heaps of weight, gained oodles of energy, pain and soreness gone, i found my good humour and appreciation of life back. I was like a new person.
I have since slowly reintroduced foodgroups back into my diet, taking my time, and being really careful about my body reaction to each new group. i know for a fact that coffee, wheat and unfermented cow dairy are poison for me. I can have small quantities of other grains - as long as they are fermented. Which is why i'm such an advocate for sourdough bread[;)]. Legumes agree with me, as does rice. I'm still really bad with sugars - I'm such a sweet tooth, and it's sugar that causes the joint pain. I know it, so can gage the level I want to go to:o - in all honesty, it's a work in progress:p. The maintstay of my diet is still vege, fruit, meat and eggs, and the closer I stick to it, the better I feel.
I never considered just popping pills for this and that, and some more pills to counter the side effects - that would be counter to everything I believe in. But that's a personal choice.

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10 years 10 months ago #392543 by Organix
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Simkin;386886 wrote: Had I done this I'd be dead now[xx(]

There are dietary changes everyone can make and the worst case scenario is that it doesn't help. It takes about 3 weeks to kick in and the feeling better is so rewarding that every appetite for coffee, greasy stuff and the likes disappears.

Lillies - I'll pm you.

The original 'Eat Right for your Type' book is by Dr Peter J. D'Adamo.

The only test you need is to determine your blood group. I don't adhere to every word - I picked out what makes sense for ME and what suits ME and I also read the suggestions for all the other blood types and there are a few things no blood group should eat - avocado and cabbage are two examples we took off our menu.

As I said in a similar thread recently, the blood type diet will very likely reinforce your existing instinctive dietary biases so will make sense in a 'blind tastings' kind of way. Making minor adjustments to your diet based on the oversights that you are suffering is also far less likely to cause harm than would the pharmaceuticals many doctors will prescribe to address the symptoms of a badly suited diet :rolleyes:

I am not however advising against a conventional 'check up' by your GP to possibly identify any acute condition, just don't make that your only focus.

If you are able to view/buy/borrow the DVD " Food Matters " it is worth your while to do so. We sell it but your local health store is also likely to :)

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10 years 10 months ago #392546 by Simkin
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Organix;386908 wrote: As I said in a similar thread recently, the blood type diet will very likely reinforce your existing instinctive dietary biases so will make sense in a 'blind tastings' kind of way. Making minor adjustments to your diet based on the oversights that you are suffering is also far less likely to cause harm than would the pharmaceuticals many doctors will prescribe to address the symptoms of a badly suited diet :rolleyes:

I am not however advising against a conventional 'check up' by your GP to possibly identify any acute condition, just don't make that your only focus.

If you are able to view/buy/borrow the DVD " Food Matters " it is worth your while to do so. We sell it but your local health store is also likely to :)

I'm 100% for a check-up at the doctor's, too. That's the first point of call as doctors are VERY good with finding our what's acutely wrong (and dangerous).

But - if someone is unwell and the doctor can't find anything wrong:confused:

That's when self-help is in order.

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10 years 10 months ago #392561 by kaybe
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Blueberry, I like your approach to your problem - cut out all potential harmful foods to figure out a baseline response, and then trial and error to re-introduce foods to your diet one at a time, so that you can figure out how you personally react to them.

I certainly agree with others that dietary changes should not be used as a replacement to conventional medicine, but I see no reason why they shouldn't be tried as as adjunct to it, as long as the dietary changes are healthful - lean protein, whole grains, lots of fruit and veges, plenty of water and regular exercise are not going to kill anyone and for most people will make them lose weight and feel better. If someone genuinely has an negative response to certain foods in those groups then their diet may need further tweaking - like Simkin found with avocado and cabbage. (Interesting, I have always wondered why avocado is toxic to most other species, but not humans. Also, I'm curious what cabbage contains that makes it different from other members of the cruciferous family like brussels sprouts, broccoli, cauliflower etc.)

I always read the instructions for diets with a very sceptical eye. Do I believe that all of the world's population who share my physical characteristics, or phenotype (actually not genotype) which Dr D'Adamo calls 'Hunter' are actually allergic to gluten, dairy and leptin? No I don't. Do I believe that some people have chronic or low-level negative responses to one or all of those food groups? Absolutely. And I certainly believe that following his advice for 'Hunters' - to get 45 minutes of vigorous exercise a day, and cut out 2 major food groups from my diet - dairy and most grains - will make me lose weight (duh), which is likely to have knock-on benefits to my health like more energy, better sleep, and a reduction or even elimination of the need for medication for high blood pressure or type 2 diabetes.

Out of scientific curiosity I read the food recommendations for the other 5 'GenoTypes' and they are quite different in that some of them do include some dairy and some gluten foods, so it's not a thinly disguised 'one-size-fits-all' approach, but I would still say that the basic formula remains - get more exercise, cut out one or two major calorie sources, and you're likely to lose weight and hence feel better in the long run.

However, I am willing to keep an open mind and I'd certainly like to improve my health, so I'll probably try the food restrictions for a few weeks and see if the results are noticeable. And if anyone wants me to work out what group they fall into according to the book, I'd be happy to do that for them, and mail them a copy of the dietary recommendations for the group. Just PM me.

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10 years 10 months ago #392565 by Organix
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kaybe;386929 wrote: ..... Do I believe that all of the world's population who share my physical characteristics, or phenotype (actually not genotype) which Dr D'Adamo calls 'Hunter' are actually allergic to gluten, dairy and leptin? No I don't. Do I believe that some people have chronic or low-level negative responses to one or all of those food groups? Absolutely. ......

And as we age and our natural youthful resilience fades so does our ability to 'cope' with previously sub-clinical reactions/symptoms to ill tolerated dietary inputs. Result: dietary intolerances become problematic :(

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10 years 10 months ago #392576 by kaybe
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Very true Organix. A classic example is my total inability to process more than about 2 glasses of wine these days, but ah, when I was young it was a different story... those were the days, dance and drink until midnight, down a chicken sub at 7-11 (blech!), and wake bright-eyed and bushy-tailed the next morning, lol ;-)

Tomorrow is the day I will stop procrastinating.

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10 years 10 months ago #392583 by Lindeggs
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You slept? When I was in my late teens I worked every Sunday - so past a certain point on Saturday night it just wasn't worth going to bed! So for several years I would wake up on a Saturday morning, party, work, and only go to bed on Sunday night. These days I start looking at my watch at about 8:30 Saturday night and wonder if it's too early for a cup of cocoa and a hot water bottle. :D



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10 years 10 months ago #392584 by Lindeggs
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All this talk of blood types and genotypes has finally piqued my interest. I first heard about the blood type diet many years ago from one of my aunts who is well known as a food faddist - lurching from one extreme to another. Anything recommended by her automatically went into my mental "crazy aunty" basket and was immediately dismissed.

Now I think I'm ready to take a genuine look at these options, measure them against my existing beliefs about health and nutrition, and take a slightly more open-minded approach.

Thanks for wrenching my mind open just a crack, you lot! ;)



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10 years 10 months ago #392586 by Simkin
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Kaybe - very well described.

Cabbage (and brussel sprouts, cauliflower and mustard greens) do contain a substance that inhibits thyroid hormone.

We LOVE red cabbage, cooked with grated apple, and after reading 'Eat right for your type' I stopped cooking this for a couple of weeks. After cooking up some cabbage again I noticed that OH was VERY slow with getting out of bed the next morning and this tiredness persisted for a few days. I hadn't talked with OH about this but continued to do my experiments. It was very reliable - cabbage and brussel sprouts had exactly the same result. We both have an aversion to cauliflower but love broccoli.

So one day I explained to hubby why cabbage will be off the menu and he wasn't fond of this idea so I cooked cabbage again. Next morning hubby agreed that it will be better to not eat it anymore.

Propyltyouracil is made from a cabbage extract and lowers thyroid function. I had to take this as I had hyperthyroidism during pregnancy.

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10 years 10 months ago #392588 by stephclark
ditto here Lindeggs and Kaybe.. i had 2 jobs, fulltime day job and a night bar job..then i would go out after the bar job.. party away then roll into the day job.. ( usually still in the same clothes from the night before )..

do you think we are paying for it now?

i completely missed the Aust Ireland game on saturday, i was in bed at 6pm[:0].. slept thru to 6am..bliss
thats the one thing i dont like about daylight saving.. i feel terribly guilty about going to bed when the sun is still shining..so i end up having late ( 9pm ) nights all summer long...

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10 years 10 months ago #392632 by Andrea1
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Simkin -- I was going to ask if it was all brassicas, or just cabbage that you took out of your diet. I've always known it was an issue for a sluggish thyroid, which I have, but I LOVE brassicas, always have, and unfortunately they form a staple of our winter and winter-into-spring diets as far as veggies go. It's something I don't want to know, but really, I know, and should probably remove them from my diet.

As far as 'pulling all nighters', which is the American university student term, I did them all the time. Full class schedule, worked at least 20 hours a week, went to concerts, lectures, shows, films, partied with friends into the wee small hours... been there, done that, and it's COMPLETELY out of my system. I am so not a night person anymore. But, oh, the memories. :D :D :D

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10 years 10 months ago #392650 by Lindeggs
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It seems I'm a worrier. Oops I mean a Warrior. :D Pretty much identical to Xena then. Thanks for the info, Kaybe!



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10 years 10 months ago #392654 by Simkin
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Andrea;387002 wrote: Simkin -- I was going to ask if it was all brassicas, or just cabbage that you took out of your diet. I've always known it was an issue for a sluggish thyroid, which I have, but I LOVE brassicas, always have, and unfortunately they form a staple of our winter and winter-into-spring diets as far as veggies go. It's something I don't want to know, but really, I know, and should probably remove them from my diet.

It's worth removing them :( if your thyroid is sluggish. OH is the same - his TSH is just below the value where they start to treat with Thyroxin. For me it doesn't make much of a difference but I still notice it. I can eat 2 brussel sprouts without noticing any effect. From 4 onwards I feel slightly sluggish.

Kelp gives the thyroid a bit of a wake-up call.

We, too, used to eat a lot of cabbage during winter but now it's carrots instead. I buy 20kg of horse carrots for 10 Dollars and that lasts for 3 weeks - and they even taste sweeter than the ones from the shop.

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10 years 10 months ago #392712 by lillies_for_me

Mustangnin;386713 wrote: lillies for me-sorry to hear of your illness. Have you heard about Don Tolmans beliefs. My step dad has totally cured his cancer following his book and another friend they met along his journey who has a serious form of cancer is also beating it. She is feeling and looking great- without chemo which she rejected. Unless you have a open minded specialist at the hospital drs do not seem to support alternatives- even though they told this lady he has only 5 in a 1000 people who have not succumbed.They are poor odds from a so called specialist. Dn Tolmans beliefs are linked to foods and is a strict "diet" to beat the cancer but I have not read the books properly yet. My step dad is amazing to speak to about this and seems to work for people who are open to trying something different. It cannot hurt- and Don Tolman apparently says he has never lost a person who has committed to his way of beating cancer. Apparently the lady my stepdad has been supporting is in contact with Don Tolman and he emails and gives extra advice and support to her- and it is not a money making scheme. Yes they had to buy the books but thats all. Anyway just thought I would throw it out there.

Hi Mustangin - thank you very much for all this information! I am at the stage where western meds have failed me (even though i under took both chemo for a year and radiation for 7 weeks, the max i was allowed before it gave me cancer - how crazy is that - the treatment that i supposed to save you from cancer, if given too many rounds, can then give you cancer!?!?!? :confused: ) i am unable to have surgery for this - so, it is terminal for me, unless a miracle happens - and i pray everyday that it does!! I want to see my boys grow up! [:I]

I would love to get more information on this - where would i buy the books from, just any book store or Tradme? Is Don Tolman in New Zealand or is he from some where else?? I would def be keen to get in touch with him as well!! (My cancer is very very rare, its not one of the 'main stream' cancers that get all the publicity and subsidies - the Cancer Society does not even offer a support group for my type of cancer :( ) - its really hard for me :(

Would you PM me regarding any extra information you have on this, even give me your dad's email address via PM so i could get in touch?? I would really appreciate that!

I prob should have PM you all this, i didn't think. Sorry all. Cheers :)


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