Another Attack on our Freedom to Choose

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12 years 2 months ago #22831 by Simkin
I've received an email yesterday which I can't copy into this tread - I've tried but it didn't work. I have forwarded it to kate, asking her to try to put it on here but haven't heard back.

The subject is that our government wants to regulate the sale of nutritional supplements and herbal remedies, both for humans and animals. The document can be found here:

www.moh.govt.nz/moh.nsf/indexmh/consult-...-products-bill-mar10

According to the email I received all the meetings have taken place in private without public knowledge and now the public has been given 3 weeks to make submissions instead of the usual 90 days.

I've copied a couple of paragraphs from the document:

'It is proposed that the costs of issuing the pre-market approval be recovered by fees charged to the applicant company and that the level of fee match actual costs. Where the regulator recognises product approvals of overseas regulators, a product approval fee will still apply because this fee recovers the cost of maintaining the approvals database, including scrutiny of the overseas data.

It is proposed that the costs of post-market activities be recovered through an annual product approval maintenance charge. This could be a set amount for each product or a levy based on turnover. The cost-recovery mechanism could provide for an exemption from, or reduction in, annual charges or levies for small businesses and/or those supplying low-turnover products.'

It costs tens of thousands of Dollars to get this approval which will mean that a lot of products will be taken off the market giving us, the consumer, less choice.

This is another attempt by the pharmaceutical industry to give people less choice to keep themselves healthy, providing them with more patients.

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12 years 2 months ago #327353 by SaraL
It gets ridiculous with all the regulations etc. I ordered some things from them here and they have closed as well. I hope they can re-open. Have a look here:
cottagecrafts.co.nz

Sara

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12 years 2 months ago #327366 by eelcat
Just read about Country Crafts - bureaucracy going a bit crazy.

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12 years 2 months ago #327394 by sod
we are getting more like another country in another time every day:(

Having time is a measure of enthusiasm:rolleyes:

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12 years 2 months ago #327411 by GrantK
As it says on the MOH website:

The consultation paper sets out high-level proposals, developed under the Memorandum of Understanding between the National and Green parties, for a natural health products scheme that would regulate products on the New Zealand market.

So it is the Green Party who are driving this. IIRC, this idea reared its head a few years back when Labour was in power, but has taken this long to work its way through the system.

We were not allowed to sell Lemon Honey made by Inger's mother at a Farmer's Market, because of the Registered Kitchen nonsense, which appears to be the reason for Cottage Crafts' closure.

Unfortunately, this is part of a world-wide trend to "improve" food safety, and it is likely to continue, no matter which government is in power. It is "another attack on our freedom to choose", as per the title of this thread, but short of winding the clock back, or going to live in some developing country without such laws, I'm not sure that anyone can realistically expect to change it.

We have heard first-hand about the laws in the UK concerning homekill of beef, and it makes our regime look very relaxed by comparison. Be thankful for small mercies I say!

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12 years 2 months ago #327412 by max2

SaraL;313683 wrote: It gets ridiculous with all the regulations etc. I ordered some things from them here and they have closed as well. I hope they can re-open. Have a look here:
cottagecrafts.co.nz

Sara


Crikey that is NZPeter from here. I too have ordered cheesemaking things from him without problems as well. Peter has never offered to sell cheese to me so I wonder where that is coming from. but as he says on the website, its most likely a competitor. All of them were dearer than Peter was.... i checked.

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12 years 2 months ago #327442 by sod
But if it comes from some country that shall stay nameless ( Ch...a ) we just take them as they say they are OK :p [}:)]

Having time is a measure of enthusiasm:rolleyes:

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12 years 2 months ago #327447 by GrantK

sod;313779 wrote: But if it comes from some country that shall stay nameless ( Ch...a ) we just take them as they say they are OK :p [}:)]

Personally, we try to avoid buying any food that is made in China. Also, any apples, oranges or grapes from the US (they look great but taste awful). Occasionally get forced into buying Aussie oranges because Kerikeri ones are hard to find. And Chilean grapes aren't too bad.

But any food from China ... no way, unless we are starving with no alternative which is highly unlikely.

Nothing against China per se, but IMO they don't rank well as a source of quality food.

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12 years 2 months ago #327459 by Stikkibeek
Canadians had the same kinds of regulations imposed around home kills and processing, the selling of eggs, for money or barter and so called "licensed kitchens", and they stood up to these regulations on the grounds of settlers rights and traditional customs.
Perhaps it's time for us to do the same before every traditional, or cottage industry, or neighbourly generosity upon which this country was developed, is taken away from us by the nanny state.

Things like home-made cakes and jams were once the lifeblood of little street stalls for charities raising money. Bring and buys also a traditional pastime, that we simply do not see anymore. Next it will be "take a plate" functions that will be raided by the Food Police. The food safety authority are not what they seem. Why else would they have tested imported raisins, found there were something like 24 toxic pesticides and herbicides on those raisins, and then refused to publish the name of the product because it was "commercially sensitive" and innocent children who are the least able to cope with endocrine disrupter's are still being fed packets of imported raisins in their parents belief that these products are safe. Seems the food safety authority is not there to protect NZders, but commercial enterprises.

If my colleagues are willing to pay me for homegrown eggs; after all it costs me to keep my hens, then I'm dam sure I do not need an SMP official to tell me, let alone sell me a license to say I handle those eggs safely.

Did you know, that what you thought I said, was not what I meant :S

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12 years 2 months ago #327474 by Simkin

sod;313779 wrote: But if it comes from some country that shall stay nameless ( Ch...a ) we just take them as they say they are OK :p [}:)]

So very true[}:)]

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12 years 2 months ago #327929 by Xartep
Before this gets lost...

This law change is a move towards the American system (FDA), it has the potential to make unavailable other than through GP prescription everyday remedies such as Arnica, Glucosamine & Condroitin, Deer Velvet, Hypercal Lotion, Colloidal Silver and so on.

The downstream effects would be many more small NZ owned and operated business closing down and many people currently gainfully employed losing their jobs.

Further to this our overall health will suffer, we will no longer be able to manage our own and our families treatment choices for minor ailments, a trip to the GP will be required, a prescription will be issued and a PHARMAC approved treatment will be dispensed. The additional workload that will be added to our already stressed medical system will be immense.

Pharmac already has too great a hold on our medical system, and the drug choices available to our GP's and specialists.

Once again the government is trying to put through a legislation change that has been strenuously objected to since 1987.

Do we really want to be under a system as restrictive and draconian as the FDA?

The only way to stop this from happening is by filing a submission stating NO.

This should not happen.

Please take the time to read the proposed changes and to file a submission, it is an important piece of legislation that is being kept from the public eye.

Cheers X

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12 years 2 months ago #327944 by Jack
Replied by Jack on topic Another Attack on our Freedom to Choose
Gidday

www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/...04/27/MNKM1D3C5H.DTL

It's come. You can be sure of that.

[[[And what bloody cheek the medical fraterinty has to pick on anything they call alternative. Just look at their record and most people go to then first and only go to a socalled alternative means when they have failed.

In New Zealand, an estimated 13% of hospital admissions were associated with medical errors in the management of the patient’s condition, with 80% of those originating from within the hospitals. Over half the adverse events were associated with surgery, according to a landmark 2001 study led by the University of Auckland’s Professor Peter Davis.
In 2009, about 44,000 people are estimated to have suffered unintended injuries resulting in temporary or permanent disability caused by the way their healthcare was managed. About 6600 of these would have suffered permanent disability or death.]]]

www.listener.co.nz/issue/3643/features/1...e/just_checking.html

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12 years 2 months ago #327983 by DiDi
I'm mildly confused about this. If it is a problem, why are the Greens doing this jointly with the National Government? NB. Haven't read the info - just stopped at the first paragraph stating the above.

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12 years 2 months ago #328004 by Simkin
DiDi - I don't know either. There were calls for regulation and maybe having the Greens there made it more workable than what a different team would have worked out.

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12 years 2 months ago #328024 by kindajojo
just to put a fly in the ointment so to speak..I read this that the govt wants to charge for the cost of a product meeting certain criteria.
Seems fair.
If I buy a product and it makes claims to do something.... then I want to be sure someone is making sure that the product does not contain dangerous substances and that at the very least it does what it claims and does no harm.

I expect that there will be a regulating body to do this and I expect that the cost of compliance will be in the cost of the product.

Otherwise what is to stop me putting arsenic in a jar ..saying it may cure cancer and sell it for $$$$$.
I buy regulary from farmers markets ..I get annoyed when I buy "mothers homemade jam with a handmade label and and find on the bottom label later it was packaged in Penrose ????? not going there again.

I also expect that if I go to a restaurant then the unseen kitchen meets some measure of Health regulation, and I am not going to wind up with food poisoning and I expect the compliance cost is included in the cost of the meal.
I may be missing the point!

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