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12 years 6 months ago #21341 by powerguy

Renewable power systems - hydro, wind and solar.
Grid tie and off grid (stand alone)
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12 years 6 months ago #310102 by Organix
Having just witnessed the amount of lies and misinformation used by politicians in regard to the ACC levy changes that story doesn't surprise me in the least, especially considering the amount of money involved in the scam that is anthropagenic climate change [:(!]

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12 years 6 months ago #310183 by DiDi
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I have read a lot of papers beoth for and against "climate change" so not ignorant on this subject but admitedly a total climate 'tax" sceptic but there is one thing I cannot find an answer too if anyone can enlighten me.

New Zealand is effectively 27 million hectares, the size of Japan and the UK roughly. Japan had 128 million people and the UK 61 million. New Zealand has just over 4 million. The claim is that the world's problems are man made so how the hell can we even feature on the radar?

Indigenous forest covers 6.3 million hectares of NZ and 5 million is protected parks and reserves. (Does that include the Hunua Ranges which is indigenous forest as well as reserve?) Regardless, that leaves a balance of 15.7 million hectares other land? Do we take into account our lakes and watercourses and ...what? Just how much of NZ is pastoral land -v- town and city in hectares?

I think from other info re the selected Maori groups getting money from the Government that they have around 670,000 hectares of forest (and are being rewarded for not turning it into dairy farms!) so effectively, according to Labour's earlier figures, that leaves us with around 15 million hectares of land unaccounted for. That is a hell of a lot of land!

The part I really don't understand is why NZ is not being considered for money in to reward the hydro etc generation. 70% of NZ's power production is non carbon emitting so why are we lining up to pay "developing" countries e.g. China (jeez) to stop their industrial pollution. If you read some papers, it is nothing about cow's farting - it is about putting fertiliser on our farms. Does that equate to the population figures for Japan and the UK? Given that agriculture makes up 7% of our GDP - why isn't the Government fighting to have us excluded, not included.

I suspect ignorance and trying to repeat the David Lange stance on Nuclear Power - as a world leader. Little men with small pen****. What a load of crock! Mugabe at Copenhagen and we are supposed to support Zimbabwe? Does that in itself not explain how crazy this whole scenario is?

Just so you know - I recycle and have a tiny "carbon footprint" and believe that there is no problem with each and every one of us cleaning up our world as best we can. Why not? I just wonder what the underwater volcano near Samoa (?) contributed to the seas warming?

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12 years 6 months ago #310190 by max2
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its just easier for the majority of the world population to dump on smaller western communities all of their problems.... eventually european communities and businesses will arrive to save us from ourselves as they do with re-building vietnam (no its not a local effort but one financed from German and other interests in the name of the UN whilst the consultants all fly first class to go back to Geneva to report to HQ) and we will be happy to see them for what they provide our children....:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Its time for NZ to break away and stop thinking its a world player!

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12 years 6 months ago #310194 by DiDi
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Just sent John Key a message saying that exactly! Laugh

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12 years 6 months ago #310252 by Simkin
Hi Di,

I don't have the numbers at hand but per capita New Zealanders are amongst the worst polluters on our planet. Why? Because the production of meat and dairy products leaves a HUGE carbon footprint.

I know, it doesn't make sense - if the Japanese and Europeans eat that meat and drink that milk but that's how it is looked at - at source.

Each sheep and each cow has a carbon footprint that is bigger than a human's. Count the sheep and cows and add them to the 4 million people who live here and you'll arrive at a population density that rivals the most densely populated countries on our planet.

Our new government, however, does not tax at source (dairy farmers etc) but taxes the general population which - of course - does not give the polluter the slightest incentive to reduce their waste. There is research under way to feed cows stuff to make them fart less but still - we provide the planet's infants with formula and while other people somewhere else make lots of babies we are blamed for the pollution these babies create.

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12 years 6 months ago #310259 by Jack
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Gidday

With all due respect, that is a load of cods wallap.

Any animal only emmits carbon that the grass that it eats has taken from the atmosphere, therefore it must be carbon neutral.

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12 years 6 months ago #310262 by Organix

Jack;294790 wrote: Gidday

With all due respect, that is a load of cods wallap.

Any animal only emmits carbon that the grass that it eats has taken from the atmosphere, therefore it must be carbon neutral.

Okay, but what about the machinery fuel useage, fertiliser manufacture, plastic bale wrap, feed supplement importation, processing inputs, produce freight, etc., etc. :rolleyes:

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12 years 6 months ago #310264 by Jack
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Gidday

Shouldn't that be what they tax instead of the lie about the livestock. Then you would see more well run organic farms because they use no bale wrap, imported feed supliments and artificial fertilizer.

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12 years 6 months ago #310266 by Organix

Jack;294797 wrote: Gidday

Shouldn't that be what they tax instead of the lie about the livestock. Then you would see more well run organic farms because they use no bale wrap, imported feed supliments and artificial fertilizer.

You got it in one :D and as a result the true costs of production would be exposed and organics then wouldn't be seen as a relatively expensive niche market activity.

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12 years 6 months ago #310309 by sod
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Just who told you its cows farting??

Having time is a measure of enthusiasm:rolleyes:

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12 years 6 months ago #310313 by Stu_R
lol Sod :) my dogs fart ( specially after having eaten Chili Con Carne) will they tax my dogs farts to lol ;)

5 retired Greyhounds ( Bridgette , Lilly, GoGo,Sam and now Lenny) 15 friendly sheep all of whom are named and come when you call them :) , 2 goats, Mollie and Eee Bee :
Olive trees , .. old bugger doing the best he can with no money or land :)

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