Thoughts on halloween?

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14 years 6 months ago #303373 by DiDi
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Devon - glad you had a good escuse to have a rip roaring night and good on you! Not a note of sarcasm in that! What lollies did you score? Grin

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14 years 6 months ago #303377 by Kiwi303
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Storey Cottage;287055 wrote: Guess we will all be moaning about Guy Fawkes next??? Which just like Halloween is not an American thing.....

We're a former English colony, not an American colony, and one that become independent because Britain started ignoring us, not because we felt the need to riot with guns. Nothing wrong with Guy Fawkes, it's part of our Westminster parliamentary/English Throne heritage, Halloween as intorduced to NZ recently is a American retail moneyspinner loosely based on an old pagan rite. much like modern Hollywood movies are loosely based on books or older better movies.

Halloween has a larger following in the US even before the commercialisation than it has had for a LONG time in britain. The early settlers were religious fundamentalists fleeing english persecution, and lead to the formation of a devout populace and the Salem which trial mentality, The sort that would keep alive All Hallows Eve as a reminder to beware of witches, while in Britain it had far less importance, since the general populace suffocated in indifference the religious nuts who saw it as a chance to demonise things that go bump in the night. Britain moved away from paying attention to All Hallows Eve, but it stayed in the American culture due to the hysteria. English Witch trials were a far smaller and less distruptive issue than in the US.

You may have noticed I like my history :D

(I'm still peeved about Starship Troopers, and Hollywoods Craploa version of a magnificent book.)

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14 years 6 months ago #303380 by Azza
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NZ Appaloosas;286909 wrote: Hmmm, other than "Waitangi Day", I don't see anything BUT imported holidays being celebrated here...

Labour Day and Anzac Day.
However you highlight my point. This country has been around for a while now and it's time our own culture shone through and we ditched imported holidays and created our own.

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14 years 6 months ago #303407 by drifter
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I do agree 'the commercialism of this festival enhances the negativity' :(
I think that holds true for all our festivals.

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14 years 6 months ago #303410 by Seaside
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The history is relevant, but to me it's not the main point. The point is having traditions. By that I mean events through the year, for whatever reason (All Hallows Eve, the birth/death of Christ, the landing of the troops in Gallipoli, the end of the harvest, the coming of Allah, the declaration of independence, whatever), where we as a family - and preferably as a society - get off our "I'm too busy" backsides and put aside a day to do something special as a family.

Our family traditions are a party with dress ups and games for the kids on halloween. Fireworks (preferably silent ones) and toasting marshmallows on the fire for Guy Fawkes, an Easter egg hunt and egg painting for the kids on Easter Sunday, and of course Christmas with all the trimmings. We camp by the Waimak river a couple of times a year with a ban on anything electronic. My mother in Canada has a tradition of camping under the mountains on the night of the harvest moon, cooking over a campfire and playing Neil Young really loudly, and watching the (huge) full moon rise over the mountains. I've been there a couple of times, and it's memorable (especially listening to the coyotes howling and lying awake all night in the tent worrying about bears...).

If we don't have these traditions, then one day merges into another, and before you know it, the years have gone by, and what have we given our children to remember about their childhood apart from every day life?

I've been thinking about what NZ-specific traditions there are. Other than the Maori customs, which don't seem to be celebrated nation-wide, I can only come up with Anzac Day (attending the Dawn Parade) and going to A&P shows. What traditions do people follow on Labour Day or Waitangi Day? For the majority of people, they are just long weekends. It would be lovely to have more NZ-specific traditions - most cultures have their traditions, from Indians to Jews to First Nation people to Maori to Italians to the Swiss. Perhaps as a society we are too young to have our own traditions, but old enough to reject those of our ancestors.

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14 years 6 months ago #303418 by Rustie
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I do understand the annoyance of trick or treaters and how frightening they can be to some, especially those who are old/on their own, etc. I not keen on that, or the commercial side at all.

I grew up quite rurally in the UK and we only 'trick or treated' at those houses we knew the people and they had invited us there. Mainly, we used to go to a big 'commercial' farm that had lots of the traditional games like apple bobbing, as well as sculptures made from pumpkins, pig on a spit, pumpkin wine, etc. They also had pumpkin carving competitions where every entrant got a pumpkin in return, and there was 'hit the head' off a pumpkin man, and a fancy dress competition for the children. It was really great fun for everyone and a good chance for the locals to meet!

I have always thought that the 'Pagan' type religions that are seasonally based should be celebrated according to the correct season (including Winter Solstice!).

With regards to NZ-specific traditions, i think that NZ is a multi-cultural country filled with lots of different cultures and religions, so where do you draw the line? Many of these holidays are linked to religions and they are all celebrated here, such as Diwali, Chinese New Year, etc..

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A real friend will be sat in there with you!

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14 years 6 months ago #303420 by devan
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Didn't score any "lollies" [;)] well could have but at 25 i sorta felt that i should be the one offering the lollies lol!
Hell of an ego boost tho, and what a total sweetie (oh excuse the pun :D )

The trouble with some women is that they get all excited about nothing,and then they marry him.

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14 years 6 months ago #303422 by drifter
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That was a lovely post Seaside :)
We have family traditions too and love to celebrate... anything really[;)]

There is one NZ tradition. And I hate it[}:)]
It's the whinge about any holiday/celebration day. If it's not 'that Christmas decorations go up too early and Carols suck', it's 'that you can't shop on Easter Sunday' or 'that Guy Fawkes has no meaning in NZ' or... you get the picture. We don't seem to be able to embrace the joy of such occasions. Most of the time you can't even get a good wake going :(
But, a good whinge session... any number will enthusiastically join in!

Maybe because we don't really consider them 'ours'.
Although I'm uncertain about that: across from the ANZAC Day memorial here, is a Four-Square which always manages to open right in the middle of the ceremony, so as not to miss any customers. We get the Last Post accompanied by the shop door and till bells[}:)] While I'd like to blame the shop owners entirely, their customers don't have to enter the shop either. They can't have 'not noticed' as they have to push through the crowd to get to the shop:rolleyes: It seems to me, as though we can't even respectfully acknowledge those days that are truly ours

*gets out big wooden spoon and stirs madly* I blame all those dour early Presbyterian settlers with their 'work ethic' and abhorrence of anything 'frivolous' [:0][:0][:0][;)][;)] :p :p :p :p :p :p

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14 years 6 months ago #303439 by Ghilly
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We had two young kids turn up here, no parents in tow. I saw them heading into a neighbours place across the road on my way home from the show and the only thing that really concerned me was the lack of parent or guardian... that and the height of the shoes the wee fairy was wearing. Massive platformed things! How she managed our driveway with it's big ankle twisting stones is beyond me!

They knocked on the door, we didn't hear it cos there are two doors between us and them, the dogs went nuts. They often go nuts for no reason.. well.... an ant maybe sneezed in the back yard and set them off. The ships bell tinged and Kim went to the door, dogs still going off and being told it was ok and settle down.

Kim came back and said it was kids trick or treating. She was painting a wall in the lounge and couldn't really do much with a paintbrush in her hand.

We had some hard toffee lollies and some barley sugars so they got a two of each put into their bags. They were very polite. I had seen in their bags and told them they had 'scored' and "wow, you got a whole bag of lollies from someone?" and comments like that. I told them not to eat them all at once and the wee girl said "No, because they make your teeth rot!" and I said that the feeling sick part of eating too many lollies at once would happen quicker than teeth rotting. She laughed and said I had lots of goats and thank you and they left.

On the other side of the coin, when I was living in suburbia in Chch, we got a knock at the door around 11pm. I asked who it was and some bloke said "Trick or treat" I answered back "You've got to be kidding! It's after 11 at night!" They left.

Personally, I think it's a commercial swing on a pagan custom and don't really get into it. If we have lollies and children come knocking, fine, if we don't I tell them "I'm sorry, we don't have any lollies, you look great though" or some such thing..... I don't want to be mean to them, it's not their fault, they are just getting sucked up into the swing of it all.
When I was a kid, Halloween was something Americans celebrated, not us.

As for Guy Fawkes, I wouldn't have a problem if people partcipated on the actual night, it's just that it goes on and on and on!

Friends our ours in England say it's like the battle of Britian night after night.
When I was a kid, Dad would bring home a few fireworks, we'd wait until dark, he would set them off and we'd stand around and ooh and ahh for 20 minutes, then it was inside and bed. If it was raining, well, tough, Dad would set off the fireworks and we would stand out of the rain to watch.

It was one night, poof, all over and done with and those people with animals could relax, knowing it was all over for another year. No big deal. Dogs and cats would be inside for that one night.

Now the fire department is worried that some of the fireworks are bordering on just legal. They are only grams away from being professional pyrotechnics. It will be interesting, in this 'recession' to see how much money people are willing to blow up and how many weeks or months they last after the 5th.

We have the towel cracking (like a whip crack) kids in the next street who spent most of Saturday and Sunday out on the street flicking their towels.
It's like living next to a rifle range and makes being in the garden, quite unpleasant. I think some adult must have given them a flea in their ear late Sunday afternoon cos we heard someone yelling and then it went quiet. If we can hear it inside across two paddocks and a street, their parents must be able to hear it.

I reckon if people want to celebrate their traditions, fine, if others don't, then they don't have to and those that wish to celebrate shouldn't get rude or pushy with those that don't.

I don't have a problem with Easter and Christmas, I do have a problem with the commercialism of it though. 1st of November and the ads for Christmas have started and pushing for kids to get Dad a TV for only.....$$$
Yeah right!

Yakut

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14 years 6 months ago #303482 by Storey Cottage
Jeeze cant anyone remember what it was like to be a kid??? I do and we let fireworks off for weeks....great fun :D :D :D :D

I should of just bought a bigger mower.....

2 Kune Kune's
1 dog
2 cats
Oh so much grass.......

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14 years 6 months ago #303491 by Azza
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Seaside;287102 wrote: The point is having traditions. By that I mean events through the year, for whatever reason where we as a family - and preferably as a society - get off our "I'm too busy" backsides and put aside a day to do something special as a family.

Stirling post. :)

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14 years 6 months ago #303516 by sod
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Easter and christmas are important to us but have to agree with Yakut and others the commercialism of them is annoying and insulting, but that goes for all things that they think there is money to be made out of. Grrrrrrrrr

Having time is a measure of enthusiasm:rolleyes:

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