Thoughts on halloween?

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14 years 6 months ago #20628 by Telly
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Every Oct 31st as the neighbourhood kids roam around in costume I feel a real meany telling them to please not come here. I also feel pretty mean not letting my kids go out. I have an issue with the fact it's been 'imported' into this country essentially by a retail chain trying to sell more stuff. It's not part of our cultural heritage. Anyway, so far I've stuck to my principles and have ignored halloween. I did let my kids go to a party tonight because the kid having the party is American so I felt that was ok. What do toehrs think? How do you deal with it

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14 years 6 months ago #302842 by DiDi
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Exactly the same as you telly for exactly the same reasons. I think maybe we have an advantage out in the country as to be honest, I have never had any children come to my door. Mum and Dad would have to drive them for one thing and I'd be quite happy to wear the label of mean old whatever if they ever do. Too many freaks out there to allow my kids (when they were young) to take lollies from strangers and I'm suprised others don't think the same way.

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14 years 6 months ago #302845 by blimeyvicki
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It really annoys me the whole halloween thing. We used to take the kids to the zoo for "Boo at the Zoo" so we could avoid the whole trick or treating thing. But this year we have been unable to do that. So they went trick or treating. I am not as good as sticking to my principals at you and cave under the relentless nagging!! I have spoken to them about the fact that it is an imported tradition etc but they don't really care. They had a great time though!

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14 years 6 months ago #302847 by Andrea1
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I'm American, and it annoys me as well! I don't have many thoughts on it anymore, but glad we're rural so it's never an issue out here. It's just odd having an autumnal celebration just before summer sets in as well!

Andrea
Oxford

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14 years 6 months ago #302850 by betenoir
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I embrace it :p ...I get a big bowl and cover it with a cloth...if any trick or treaters travel out this far they will be invited to put their hand in to find a 'treat'. I do warn them that they should be careful to not grab the pigs brain as its a bit smelly and that they should wash any lollies they find in case the pig brain has leaked on them :D

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14 years 6 months ago #302851 by betenoir
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P.s I'm looking forward to eating the lollies tomorrow....evil cackle hehhe

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14 years 6 months ago #302867 by DiDi
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Just read on telly text that there are problems in Christchurch with children egging houses where they have been refused sweets. Now that sounds like a great "tradition" to introduce our young ones too.

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14 years 6 months ago #302870 by stacey
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I think trick or treating is silly. But dress up parties are fun :)

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14 years 6 months ago #302871 by wyseyes
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/rant mode on...

Imported tradition indeed. Modern Halloween has turned an american children's traditional ritual into ignorant grabby abusive consumer youth, who have no idea about why or what is Halloween.

The trouble is that 'kids' waltz up to the door, and stand there with hand out. Ask them what 'trick or treat' means, they stare blankly. All they are after is some toothrot, while mummy waits at the gate. Often if they don't get sufficient/desired/sickly sweet enough then the abuse starts flying.
Even the little children who engage in full dressup have no idea why, just that 'we get dressed up door to door, and get lollies'.
Then along come the high school seniors with a wig they bought from the $2 shop, also with the hand out. In school uniform, cellphone in one hand, texting furiously while ignoring you, but still with a complete and utter expectation that 'they' deserve higher class treats than everyone else. Again, if not satisfied, abuse if we're lucky, otherwise rubbish in the gardens, property damaged, or tagging goes on.

I once hung a sign on the gate that said "No Halloween", to try to stop all these strangers entering the property, disturbing the animals (mostly me). I heard all the moaning and complaining that I wasn't getting into the 'spirit' of halloween, learned some new words, lots of old ones, and got an appreciation of why I don't like this tired old ritual.

Live in the country now, peaceful mostly.

/rant mode off

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14 years 6 months ago #302872 by Jen - Featherston
Halloween has been so ruined. Tonight is Beltaine, however halloween as we know it comes from Samhain (saa-ven) the Celtic celebration of the dead.

As pagan (rural) people of old spent every miniute of the day toward their survival, often they did not have time to mourn their dead, instead giving a short burial with rememberance at Samhain when the harvest time was quiet.

All the fires in the villages would be put out, with one central bonfire, the ritual to cross over the spirits of those that had died would commence and after the ritual, the High Priestess would take fire from the bonfire to her hearth and relight it. She would then take fire to the High Priest and perhaps a gift of food, clothing, handcraft to bring luck for the coming year. He in turn would light his hearth and take the flame to his neighbour with a gift - until all hearths were burning with flame. Hence these days we have trick or treating, visiting door to door except these days the children expect a gift from us instead of bringing a gift for good fortune of the household.

The costumes came from the Christians as they deamonised Pagan rituals and festivals just as Witches became ugly hags with pointy hats, warts and broomsticks, so did the priests, priestesses and spirits of Samhain.

It was also common for families who had lost someone during that year to place a candle in a window, along with a plate of food to draw the soul of their loved one home, with the plate of food to sustain them on their journey to the Summerlands.

In years to come on Samhain night families set out a plate for those that have passed and spoke to their children about those people keeping their memories alive.

It is a travisty that all this has been lost to children high on sugar and dressed as frightful things :(

Sometimes its not only what you say, its the way you say it that counts.

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14 years 6 months ago #302905 by cowvet
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I think the police have a sign that you can download off the internet - this way you can opt in or out of people approaching your house.

I am not a fan of Halloween - but as the devils advocate how many children know the reason for Easter and Christmas, or are they just happy to partake in another chocolate and present scramble that is no worse than halloween.


I love animals...they're delicious

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14 years 6 months ago #302941 by bayrose1
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nope never got into it myself for the same reason. Never let my son do it either. Neighbours kid turned up last year. I said i didn't even know it was halloween. Never arrived this year

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14 years 6 months ago #302951 by jeannielea
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This wasn't an issue when my kids were younger but what really concerns me is how come parents spend all year telling kids to be aware of stranger danger and how to keep safe etc and then on this day they allow the kids to knock on people's doors and ask for treats! Even if they're being accompanied by adults this is surely a double standard - and that's before we get to the begging for nothing bit!! Most of us don't like being bothered by kids pestering us for things when we visit other countries. What is different?

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14 years 6 months ago #302952 by reggit
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As a small child, we trick or treated (USAF housing area in German) but only with parents and only to pre-approved and participating households. That was back in the early 70s when things were supposed to be much safer than now, but even then, a lot of care was taken as to where we could/couldn't go, and making sure we didn't bother people who weren't taking part, esp as we were in a non-US country, since the US is the only one where it had become so commercialised...

As Jen says, Samhain does have firm roots in history stretching back centuries, but to translate it to the Southern hemisphere with the seasons back to front doesn't work! Even Hallowe'en as such has strong historical roots, but like everything else (Guy Fawkes being one, Xmas and Easter being others), has been bastardised by commercial interests.

My inlaws live in an area of older folk surrounded by families with lots of kids and teenagers. It gets very stressful for them as even with signs up on their letterbox and front door, etc, they get lots of doorknockers and some quite aggressive approaches (esp from the older kids) and they are afraid that these kids will come back and do some damage as 'tricks' rather than accept that there is nothing being given out.

Take a break...while I take care of your home, your block, your pets, your stock! [;)] PM me...

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14 years 6 months ago #302963 by LittleLSB
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I shut the 4 dogs in the front hallway (the old deaf one is pretty useless now so she gets to stay with us) and shut the door back to the living room and refuse to answer the door. 4 dogs nutting off gets rid of them fairly quickly [}:)]

I hate univited visitors/callers of any description [:(!]

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