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14 years 7 months ago #2046 by Hestia
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THis with stopping imported cars that are not brandspanking new cars.

This is to make us drive newer cars that are more environmental friendly.

I do not belive in that a new car is better than a old well looked after car!
Look at other solutions as trying to keep old cars clean and also if the air is bad in big cities and people die because of filthy air,,we are then thinking about people living in environemens with heaps of cars,,but what a about producing new cars every year! that is absoloutely not environmental friendly since there are factories that produce these cars and material used to create them!

the environmental cost to make new cars every year must be much too high for our environment!
This is the wrong solution!

There are other reasons to try to look at what cars we import but that is because we get cars that are other peoples garbage and done up cars!

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14 years 7 months ago #67563 by sod
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Not that long ago the greens were saying that very thing, making new cars makes more polution and uses more oil etc.so keep the old cars now we are told the opposite. Maybe newer cars make more money for some one :p . We will stick to our older one ;)no choice no money :D

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14 years 7 months ago #67579 by Valmai
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quote:Originally posted by sod

We will stick to our older one ;)no choice no money :D

Hah! You might as well upgrade, my taxes will subsidize your new wheels.:(:(

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14 years 7 months ago #67590 by GrantK
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quote:Originally posted by Suzanne

THis with stopping imported cars that are not brandspanking new cars.

The new law does NOT restrict you to only buying new imported cars...

Rather it restricts Used Imports to a maximum of 7 years old -- which is plenty old enough really unless we want to continue being Japan's dumping ground for 8,9 and 10 year-old dungers that are unacceptable in Japan because of the air pollution they cause [xx(] [xx(] [xx(]

Under the present regime, there are HUGE numbers of 9-year old used imports coming in -- many of which belch out large amounts of pollution. Here are some interesting facts:

quote:"For 10 years the used importers have flooded our roads with older and older vehicles and now it is time for them to face reality," said industry association chief Perry Kerr, after a call by Mr Vinsen's organisation for its members to fund a $300,000 public relations offensive against the Government's proposals.

The importers believe they have scored a minor victory by persuading officials to consider a phase-in period for standards for petrol vehicles.

They warned that, without such a concession, used car sales would slump immediately by 80 per cent - rather than the 50 per cent reduction generally expected in the first year.

The officials are expected to recommend that used imported petrol cars comply in the first year with emissions standards set by Japan in 1998, before the Government moves in 2009 to standards set for vehicles made in Japan between 2000 and 2003.

But they are understood to be holding firm to a requirement for diesel vehicles to comply from January 1 to standards introduced in Japan between 2002 and 2004.

Here's the thing: Under the NEW regulations, used imported petrol vehicles must comply with emissions standards set in Japan in 1998 -- in a few days that will be 10 years ago [:0] [:0] [:0]

Does anyone REALLY want vehicles continuing to flood into NZ which don't comply with 10-year old Japanese Emissions Standards [?]

I am no greenie, but it seems totally unacceptable to me that we should continue to act as a dumping ground for such pollution-belching dinosaurs [xx(]

Auckland's air quality is already severely degraded by our fleet of old used imports and if we don't do something to stop these vehicles entering the country, this problem is only going to get worse -- MUCH worse :(

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14 years 7 months ago #67622 by sod
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Vaimai Im sorry I dont understand what you mean by that??

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14 years 7 months ago #67682 by Hestia
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I agree to that it is some kind of handing down not wanted things to NZ,,which stinks,,
BUT I do not see that newer cars are better for the environment since they need heaps of parts made so it is not environmental friendly at all to get a new car every year instead of looking after the car you have and let if for instancce have 20 years of life instead of only max 10 years.

If cars imported were new ones only and the second hand import were by private importers, that would look heaps better!

You should have new cars sold here not heaps of second hand cars!
But I think it just has to be more environmental friendly if we did use our cars we have for a longer period or???

I will keep on driving my old cars and hope I am allowed to do that.
You will not see me in someones high mileage jap import! :)

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14 years 7 months ago #67690 by DiDi
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Well said Grant. I live on a hill overlooking Auckland, so to speak, and have been her for 19 years. Originally, no smog obvious over the city but over the years I have noted half an inch (the depth on the horizon to my set line of sight...if that makes sense... of dirty brown) and NOW it is at least 2 inches of smog depth. I live around 40 kilometres from the centre of the city so if there is anyone with mathmatical knowledge who can work that out...) It is horrifying...yet we still hear about the grand contribution of cow's farting. Ban the damn imports is all I can say.

However... was interested to hear Phil Pacey of Pacey Trucks pointing out that he would only have had one vehicle on his whole yard that would pass the emmission standards. So what does that mean for us as consumers if the truck price goes through the roof - higher costs to all of us to run our horse trucks, get our deliveries, higher prices in supermarkets, to buy a bunch of flowers... yes I do my bit and so do most of you but I get really annoyed when I hear about our huge pollution per head of population against China and the States. It's bollocks. Blame the cows. Perhaps that is why the Government cut down so many trees and converted Landcorp farms to Dairy before signing the Kyoto Protocol? Where's the logic in that? Get the poor underpaid taxpayers of NZ brain washed into beleiving we are BAD people and must be punished. Well I am not putting my hand out for a smack - it is not allowed! Oooops.

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14 years 7 months ago #67700 by GrantK
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quote:Originally posted by Suzanne

...BUT I do not see that newer cars are better for the environment since they need heaps of parts made so it is not environmental friendly at all to get a new car every year instead of looking after the car you have and let if for instancce have 20 years of life instead of only max 10 years.

I agree with you Suzanne: It doesn't make sense to get a new car every year. Apart from anything else, it is far too expensive :(

If everyone maintained their older cars properly as you suggest, there would be no problem, but the trouble is, most people don't. How many times have you driven behind a car which is belching smoke [?]

quote:Originally posted by DiDi

...However... was interested to hear Phil Pacey of Pacey Trucks pointing out that he would only have had one vehicle on his whole yard that would pass the emmission standards.

Yes, that just shows how dirty many of those used imported trucks are [V]

I've seen so many of those small Japanese trucks belching out lots of smoke and if you have to breathe the fumes it's most unpleasant. I was always sceptical about how much difference emission control components made until we got our 2006 Hilux Ute. It conforms to the Euro IV emission standard and if you breathe the fumes they almost have a sweet smell, not unpleasant at all like the fumes from a petrol engine.

So, I think it's important that we don't allow any further vehicles to be imported that don't at least comply with reasonably clean emission standards. It really DOES make a difference and sure -- there are a lot of older vehicles here that will never comply, but eventually they will be scrapped and over time, the emissions from our vehicle fleet will start to reduce. If the current regime which allows 8,9 and 10-year old vehicles was to continue, the cleaning up process will be much slower.

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14 years 7 months ago #67709 by Hestia
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something that I have wondered about is that I see people that leave their cars with the engines on.
people go in shopping and leave their car sittting with engine on.
trucks that are unloading goods and engine on (no not a refrigerated truck)
people that drive from shop to shop.
I park outside the one where I am doing my grocery shopping and then I walk around town to do lotto/post office/book shop/,,,.

Where I come from it was a 1 minute idle rule.
Here I can go for a lunch walk and pas a car or truck that is sitting with no driver and engine on,,15 minutes later pas again and it is still on idle!

I drive doing no more than 110, I get over taken every day!

In europe the EU countries are building highways where the speed limit is 130!!! how does that work? they talk about lowering the speed limits in some countries to lower the exhaust and in the next one they build new highways where you can do 130!
I think I read engines cruising speed is the best speed for lowest exhausts,,that on my cars are 90-100.

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14 years 6 months ago #68223 by Ghilly
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In Auckland a few years ago they had a phone number you could ring to 'dob in' vehicles belching black smoke. There was a high number of city buses getting 'dobbed in'. They are shocking!

It's all down to maintenance of the vehicles. Several times now, I have seen an old bloke driving a very vintage truck/ute I'd say it was the 1920's. It doesn't look like it's been touched as far as the paintwork is concerned. He putters out of Pukekohe along Mill Road, no smoke issuing from the back, just tootling along doing his thing without suffocating the people behind him. By my reckoning,this truck has to be around 70 - 80 years old and not creating pollution like some of the other cars on the road, so really, it hasn't got anything to do with age, it's all down to the maintenance of it.
I'm just using this as an example, there are quite a few well looked after vintage cars around and they don't pump out the black nasties the city buses do.
Why not give these imports emmissions tests before they are brought into the country.? If they fail, they can't come in.

Yakut

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