David Bain is Not Guilty

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13 years 2 months ago #273605 by FencerMan
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For future reference for everybody, to avoid spending your time writing something just to have it removed, ensure it does not..

Slander anybody/institution needlessly.
Be negatively racially based
Damage the reputation and credibilty of this site
Create the possibility for a third party to take legal action against this site.

Please think before you post. These expectations are not unreasonable.

Do something.

Either lead, follow, or get out of the way.

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13 years 2 months ago #273609 by tomd
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Skol;253965 wrote: I haven't put anything here that's not already out there.

You have deleted material that was published on the front page of yesterday's Herald and that's censorship.
I will cease posting.


Skol
Looks Like my comments have been censored as well [:0]
Could this be a Bains supporter’s only discussion?:confused:
I enjoy this web site so will abide by the censors decisions :)
New Zealand or Fiji? [:(!]

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13 years 2 months ago #273612 by FencerMan
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Tomd, its not what you believe which caused it to be taked off, some of your post was fine, some wasnt. There is also a difference between your opinion, and facts. As you can see there are plenty of posts here which are fine which obviously do not support David Bain.

Feel free to post again without anything which may land Kate in trouble, even if it is a remote chance. Feel free to PM me if in doubt :)

Do something.

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13 years 2 months ago #273614 by kate
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tomd;253976 wrote: Skol
Looks Like my comments have been censored as well [:0]
Could this be a Bains supporter’s only discussion?:confused:
I enjoy this web site so will abide by the censors decisions :)
New Zealand or Fiji? [:(!]


Yes, I deleted your post as well. Many people have said on this thread that they think David Bain is guilty and I'm happy about that. Your post included allegations of corruption etc which I don't want on this site.

When you (this is 'you' generally, not just you tomd) register with this forum you agree that moderators and administrators can remove posts. Usually you don't see the work we do as we're deleting spam before you even see it. We will delete any post that attacks another poster and we will delete any post we think is defamatory or likely to start a war of words. Unlike many sites we don't insist that people stick to the topic (lifestyle farming) but I will delete threads that are likely to end in tears [B)][B)][B)]

So, still NZ [8D][8D]

Cheers
Kate

PS Thanks Fencerman :D

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13 years 2 months ago #273638 by Toni - Northland
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People keep mentioning the suppressed evidence. I googled it, and to me it had nothing whatsoever to do with his case. I have never been able to decide if he did it or not. Still not sure, but like Sue's theory. He has been found not guilty and the country has to abide by that, he has been judged by his peers. Arthur Alan Thomas I always believed was innocent, as is Peter Ellis.

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13 years 2 months ago #273654 by Louimay
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Kate

I just want to say that I know how hard your job is and also the job of your moderators. I own/moderate a yahoo group and we have disclaimers plastered all over it to protect ourselves. We are also quick to moderate any posts that we may deem to be slanderous, abusive or that will come back and bite us on the butt.

We are often attacked for censoring our group by group members but the ones doing the complaining are the ones who are the most likely to start a controversal topic so we have no qualms sticking them on moderation and if they put up to much of a fuss we have the power to ban them. Kate seems to be a bit more forgiving than we are on my group :)

For those who don't understand why this has to be done and that disagree with censorship, I suggest you start your own forum and put your own livelhood, reputation on the line. We on our group had a wee scare when a certain multi millionaire horse breeder got wind of a topic being discussed on our group that was possibly considered slanderous against them. We managed to contain it and resolve it, and like I said due to our disclaimers, I think we have our group covered that the actual poster is in the wrong not the group owner.

Our group is a "closed" group and only members can post and see what is posted yet still "outsiders" get fed information about what is discussed on our group and it is usually passed on out of context. This forum is open to the public so to speak and anyone with a computer and an internet connection can read what is discussed on here and pass it on so it is more exposed to anyone who may want to take legal action.

This forum has been set up by Kate so we can all enjoy it and discuss topics amongst ourselves and for this I am very grateful to Kate and her team and we should appreciate the hard work that goes into moderating us all and making sure we are all protected. Oh and I am guessing they aren't being paid for it either.

LOL..I will get off my soap box now. Just wanted to voice my support for our hard working moderators. :)

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13 years 2 months ago #273655 by kate
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Thanks Louimay, you're right, we're not paid and try to walk the tightrope between allowing free expression and keeping the site running smoothly. It's not always easy and I'm very grateful to the moderators who give up their time to help out...mods are the unsung heroes of this forum :D :D

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13 years 2 months ago #273660 by Jack
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Gidday

I feel sorry for both sides on this site. Kate has a hellava job but it is so bloody anoying to have something you said censored out.

But the simple fact is whether he did the murders or not he has been found Not Guilty by the Court and therefore he is considered by the law to have not done it. Even though I and many others may believe otherwise, to call him a murderer could be considered defamatory.

The point about suppressed evidence makes this the most unusual case I have ever heard of and that must have also been the most unusual suicide, but the law simply says that David Bain is not guilty and we now have to live with it.

I, unfortunately do not know what the suppressed evidence is nore do I know if it was only suppressed from the jury but if Kate fears it was suppressed from all publication she has the right to enforce her ban on it on this site.

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13 years 2 months ago #273661 by Pumpkingirl
The information in question is not suppressed by a court.

However, it is not publishable (despite the NZ Herald and Newstalk ZB doing just that) because it is highly questionable, defamation-wise and all online references to it (including the NZ Herald) have been taken offline.

While Muldoon did pardon Thomas before the Royal Commission of Inquiry made its report final, he did so knowing what they were going to say. I imagine it was a politically good move for him, hence why it was done before the Inquiry officially reported back.

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13 years 2 months ago #273666 by reggit
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As PG says, it has been removed from the Herald site, and I was very surprised to see it even published in their paper.

Waikato Times advertised on its poster fliers that sit outside dairies etc that they were going to run the story, but it wasn't run in that paper in the end. They obviously weren't willing to take the risk.

Kate shouldn't have to either through others putting it up here [:I].

Take a break...while I take care of your home, your block, your pets, your stock! [;)] PM me...

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13 years 2 months ago #273676 by beedee
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I will just add to Louimay's statement.. go googling about some subject and you will find OUR topics still out there for the world to read years later.. so once a word is written here, its imprinted for ever in cyber land.. For those new to this site, and wanting their own uncensored statements to stick.. several years ago, the word ***** was used instead of sticky tape.. the heavy boys from another land were fast on Kate's tail to remove it as seems it was blatant use of THEIR word.. a bit like Har***s store did to Otorohanga township with BIG BIG $$$$ wanted in compensation...
so go sulk in the corner of your dog kennel we wont mind... this site is too important for minor things like defamation or censorship of commercialism!!!

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13 years 2 months ago #273679 by spoook
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Hear, hear...... well said by all............ :D

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13 years 2 months ago #273696 by devan
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Well i believe in my personal opinon that he did do it, and he got a lucky break in the court case. There is alot of information that hasn't been released yet but most likely will over the course of time. I have a friend who is quite high up in the police and it is interesting to hear his opinion on the matter, certainly helped me to form my opinion... this is of course only my personal opinion and i hope that its ok for me to post this :)

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13 years 2 months ago #273702 by The Kats Place
I don't think he got a lucky break, I think the police didn't get it right as far as they way they collected and handle all the evidence, I think they got sloppy because they thought they had it cut and dried. I feel he did it, and the police just didn't prove it.
So it ended up costing the tax payer millions.

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13 years 2 months ago #273704 by moggy
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Well, in some ways it doesn't really matter (to anyone other than David Bain himself). He served almost all of his sentence anyway.
I do believe that his father had one heck of a motive and was more likely to have done it.

It is up to the state to prove a persons guilt. That is something that they failed to do in the first trial or the second. For that reason I believe the outcome of this trial was fair.

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