Leaving Sydney for Christchurch region

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8 years 8 months ago #508162 by tonybaker
Good on yous for coming over!! Have you thought of coming earlier to see what the winter is like? It can get awfully chilly down that way. At the moment it is 8 degrees and raining in Chch!

My suggestion is go further north, Nelson, Golden Bay or Marlborough - but I guess it depends on job opportunities?

Don't go for too much land and don't kid yourself that you will make an income from it!

5 acres, Ferguson 35X and implements, Hanmay pto shredder, BMW Z3, Countax ride on mower, chooks, Dorper and Wiltshire sheep. Bosky wood burning central heating stove and radiators. Retro caravan. Growing our own food and preserving it. Small vineyard, crap wine. :)

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8 years 2 months ago #515821 by SickOfSydney
Thanks for all your suggestions and sorry for the long time between replies. We just spent 3 weeks in NZ and really enjoyed our time there.

I still have a preference for the Christchurch region - in my view it is the best city in NZ and a really great size.
Around Darfield is a really nice location, pretty much what I had in mind for a NZ location. The Banks Peninsula is really nice, but I imagine once you get some elevation and great views the weather could be quite unpleasant. I was able to rule out Ohoka and Oxford.

We also would consider other places in NZ and it all depends on what we want to do when we eventually come over. I really liked Wanaka, as well as rural Otago, and on the North Island, Tauranga was a great spot.

rhyso - yes locations close to great driving roads add a certain appeal for me! Really enjoyed driving on Highway 72 and I am sure Arthurs Pass is fantastic too.

tonybaker - I've spent a bit of time in Europe and Asia in winter, so Christchurch isn't too different. We had a few cold days when we were over anyway, so know what to expect. Once the sun is out though, even at 15c I was just in a shirt and I was fine.
Job opportunities are limited enough in Christchurch actually! I haven't explored those locations you suggested but I have heard great things about them too. I really pefer to be closer to a major centre (or at least a decent hospital) as I start to age!
25 acres is about ideal for me. I don't intend to make any money off it, it is just for fun.

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8 years 2 months ago #516148 by RaeM1
Did you think of having a good look at Hamilton and the area around it, its the 4th biggest city in nz and the winter is warmer than the south island, plus the job sitation is normally very good in Hamilton. the plus is a 1 1/2 hour drive to Auckland Airport.
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8 years 2 months ago #516169 by tonybaker
five to ten acres is plenty! - otherwise you are tempted to take on too much. Glad to hear that it's just for fun! So many LSB'ers think they are going to pay all their bills from the land - even "real farmers" struggle doing that!

My pick would be the Nelson area, it has a great hospital system and an equable climate. There are smallish blocks out at Brightwater. It is close to some very nice beaches too.

I guess you have found out that things are more expensive over here and that wages are lower?

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8 years 2 months ago #516202 by Hawkspur
A little elevation on Banks Peninsula is enough to reduce the frosts significantly when compared with the plains nearby, and in the right spot, the winds aren't too bad, and the views are great too!
We have good views, few frosts, but we do get strong winds, which I don't mind.
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8 years 2 months ago - 8 years 2 months ago #516550 by SickOfSydney

RaeM1 wrote: Did you think of having a good look at Hamilton and the area around it, its the 4th biggest city in nz and the winter is warmer than the south island, plus the job sitation is normally very good in Hamilton. the plus is a 1 1/2 hour drive to Auckland Airport.


It was quite picturesque around Hamilton (is anywhere in NZ not picturesque?), but I really prefer the south island overall.
Job opportunities will be limited for me and my wife unless we wanted to live in Auckland. We can accept this fact. If life was only about earning money I'd be sweltering in Singapore right now!

tonybaker wrote: five to ten acres is plenty! - otherwise you are tempted to take on too much. Glad to hear that it's just for fun! So many LSB'ers think they are going to pay all their bills from the land - even "real farmers" struggle doing that!
I guess you have found out that things are more expensive over here and that wages are lower?


Yes definitely just for fun. I have an allocated tractor budget :)
I know the wages are lower, that isn't a problem as the cost of housing is significantly cheaper compared to Sydney.
I honestly think most day to day items seem somewhat similar in cost. Cars are much cheaper in NZ, but that could cost me more from being over indulgent!

Hawkspur wrote: A little elevation on Banks Peninsula is enough to reduce the frosts significantly when compared with the plains nearby, and in the right spot, the winds aren't too bad, and the views are great too!
We have good views, few frosts, but we do get strong winds, which I don't mind.


Thanks for the feedback Hawkspur. Is snow much of an issue in winter once you have a little elevation on the Banks Peninsula?
I wouldn't mind a few days of settled snow but anything beyond that could be a bit annoying.
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8 years 2 months ago #516553 by Hawkspur

SickOfSydney wrote: ...
Thanks for the feedback Hawkspur. Is snow much of an issue in winter once you have a little elevation on the Banks Peninsula?
I wouldn't mind a few days of settled snow but anything beyond that could be a bit annoying.


We have only had snow that lasted a day (or two at most) at this level (we range from 80-230m ASL), and it is fairly infrequent - once in the last couple of years. The ridge above us at 500m gets a dusting more often, but even that doesn't hang around for very long. Hilldweller (another LSB member) would know what happens higher up, but has only been there one winter, I think. I can't think of many occasions where the snow has isolated areas on the peninsula for more than a day or two.
It also depends what way you are facing and where the weather is coming from. When Chch got snow to sea level last year in Taylor's Mistake (a bay on the north east side of the Port Hills, which are part of the same volcanic cone collection as Banks Peninsula), we got none at all.
If you want a wee bit of snow, go higher, and to be frost free, a site exposed to the easterly winds, and a little elevated would be ideal, but those cooling easterlies can be a pain if you want to sit in the sun outside.

Frost can be good for disease and pest control, and for getting more stone fruit, raspberries etc. so I don't mind the odd one at all.

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8 years 2 months ago #516570 by Steve_T647
What exactly do you plan to do with the land? There are many options and locations around Christchurch and benefits and disadvantages to them also. Lincoln area is another you could look at. Around the Banks Peninsula there are areas that can become icy in winter so more travelled roads are good. I commute at 6am from Cust and it is 45 min to the city and an hour to the CBD.

I have been Halswell way and it was 30 min to the city, with the motorway extension being built going to Rolleston would be a good option the problem would be water, this is being worked on through a commercial irrigation scheme being built.

I would suggest you get here and look at what you want to have the property do, from there you will find the location and the property.

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7 years 11 months ago #519520 by Fairlight
Don't know if you're still looking but malvern district is great. Glentunnel school has a pretty good rep but so do all of them. We live in Coalgate and hubby's commute is 40 mins to Middleton, christchurch. The community out here is very blended so even if you're quite far out of darfield you're still considered part of the community. Lots going on all the time. There's 2 preschools in Darfield, lots of playcenter / mainly music things spread about for toddlers too. There seems to be quite a few lifestyle blocks fir sake around the place too. There's a bunch about halfway in between darfield and coalgate that used to be a deer farm but has been subdivided. Farmlands has a real estate division which can probably help you out.

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7 years 7 months ago #523562 by SickOfSydney
Long time, no update.
We are still keen to head over to NZ, but our specialised roles are really limited to Auckland only in NZ. There might be one or two roles for each of us in Christchurch.
Given this, we have a desire to stockpile a little more cash before we make the move over, short of one of these roles appearing for us! We have debated re-training and/or just doing something simpler, but those don't sound appealing just yet.
Anyway, plenty of time to do some more research whilst we patiently wait. We have even debated buying a section and building upon arrival, but unless something is absolutely magical and a bargain we are happy to wait.

Steve_T647 wrote: What exactly do you plan to do with the land? There are many options and locations around Christchurch and benefits and disadvantages to them also. Lincoln area is another you could look at. Around the Banks Peninsula there are areas that can become icy in winter so more travelled roads are good. I commute at 6am from Cust and it is 45 min to the city and an hour to the CBD.

I have been Halswell way and it was 30 min to the city, with the motorway extension being built going to Rolleston would be a good option the problem would be water, this is being worked on through a commercial irrigation scheme being built.

I would suggest you get here and look at what you want to have the property do, from there you will find the location and the property.


All I intend to do with the land is run a few animals (I like Alpacas, Goats and Sheep) and have a little play. I don't really intend to grow anything on any sort of scale, but would like to try a few things for fun.

Those areas are close to Christchurch, but my wife and I are use to living a fair way out of the city centre, so we don't mind being further away.

Fairlight wrote: Don't know if you're still looking but malvern district is great. Glentunnel school has a pretty good rep but so do all of them. We live in Coalgate and hubby's commute is 40 mins to Middleton, christchurch. The community out here is very blended so even if you're quite far out of darfield you're still considered part of the community. Lots going on all the time. There's 2 preschools in Darfield, lots of playcenter / mainly music things spread about for toddlers too. There seems to be quite a few lifestyle blocks fir sake around the place too. There's a bunch about halfway in between darfield and coalgate that used to be a deer farm but has been subdivided. Farmlands has a real estate division which can probably help you out.


Thanks fairlight. Coalgate was a fabulous location, I really enjoyed the scenery in that area!
The more I do research, the more being somewhere around Darfield makes sense to me. The Darfield Area High School sounds fantastic as well!

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7 years 7 months ago - 7 years 7 months ago #523568 by Stikkibeek
You'd need a specialized income as well to afford anything in or around Auckland. 400-600sqm sections are selling at about $400.000 with a house around 1million.
Prices are crazy. Small lifestyle blocks are slightly better but with the gov. pushing for Auckland to release more land for housing, lifestyle blocks within a reasonable distance from the city are set to rise also. 2500 houses going in less that 2k from here and we can see the earthworks through the trees. It's quite frightening what is happening to good rural land. Pukekohe, one of the key growing areas for NZ is being built out on what was once the best volcanic soil around here. Owners will end up being over charged on rates if they hang on, and will end up being forced to sell.

Did you know, that what you thought I said, was not what I meant :S
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7 years 7 months ago #523569 by SickOfSydney

Stikkibeek wrote: You'd need a specialized income as well to afford anything in or around Auckland. 400-600sqm sections are selling at about $400.000 with a house around 1million.
Prices are crazy. Small lifestyle blocks are slightly better but with the gov. pushing for Auckland to release more land for housing, lifestyle blocks within a reasonable distance from the city are set to rise also. 2500 houses going in less that 2k from here and we can see the earthworks through the trees. It's quite frightening what is happening to good rural land. Pukekohe, one of the key growing areas for NZ is being built out on what was once the best volcanic soil around here. Owners will end up being over charged on rates if they hang on, and will end up being forced to sell.


Thanks for the info. Similar in Sydney but even worse. A lovely area of rural land which was never supposed to be subdivided is being cut up for 6,000 homes!

Anyway, I meant that we would stick it out here for a while longer, and go with more funds at a later date (still to Christchurch). If we are mortgage free with savings then I'm sure we can cover our living expenses if we both work.

In the meantime, we might buy a lifestyle block in Sydney and I can get some practice in before moving into something bigger in NZ!

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7 years 7 months ago #523583 by Nora
But throwing away stamp duty kind of puts a big downer on the idea of buying a lifestyle block in Sydney before you come I reckon.

Consider renting a lifestyle block when you get to Christchurch to try it out for a year or two before committing to buying. Then you would have time to work out where you want to buy and whether the lifestyle is all it is cracked up to be.

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7 years 7 months ago #523616 by max2
I'm from the Blue Mtns and moved here as my Kiwi hubby wanted to come home. Its an ideal place to raise children or retire to. As you have discovered One does not come to NZ to make a good income... The media here are very self centred about the Auckland region and housing affordability. There is a lot of talk about ''immigrants'' coming in and ''taking'' opportunities away from young Kiwis, esp. in the Auckland region.

However as you are familar with Sydney's property prices you and I know that housing affordabililty for the kids to buy in the same area as Mum and Dad stopped years ago over there. So its nothing new to us, but its a big concern here.

Our area has a number of lifestyle blocks and we have use of some of them for grazing. those property owners find the demands of caring for their property too much along with balancing their employment commitments. Depending of course where you locate to, in winter here there is considerably less daylight hours to be doing the essentials so trying to get everything fed or done after you arrive home from work is a challenge. Can be a cold wet one and sliding around in mud quickly dampens any thrill of living a LSB lifestyle whilst working elsewhere.

My advise: rent when you come over. Take the time to get the feel of an area, if it was up to me I would move further away from my location. 2. keep an eye on NZ headlines and news, things are changing as to who can buy property in NZ from outside the country. 3. Remember what you experience on holiday is different to what you experience living somewhere. My Uncle thought we were silly selling up in Aussie and at times I think he was right. try and keep your options open even if it means renting your sydney property out for 5 years to test the waters here.

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